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    Yeah, everything should be based on Sprint Training outings. Maybe somebody can figure out what his fWAR. Sign Lucroy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deester11 View Post
    Specifically about Folty over Teheran. JT continues to get slighted. If Folty is the ace we got bigger issues.
    I said "could" be the ace. That's not slighting Julio in the least. I love him. I do think we pretty much know what he is capable of doing. Folty has a higher ceiling and YES, if he puts it together...he will be an ace.

    You can call that optimism...I'll take that. He could also regress just as easily. He "has" taken steps forward though. I feel he is on the verge. I could be wrong easily.

    Surely you have to admit that Folty has ace potential ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I can't believe we spent 12M on this guy and came up short trying to get a catcher.
    I definitely agree that the fact we whiffed on a catcher is troubling since we have such an obvious short term and long term need at that position. But is $12m really an unreasonable price for Colon? He's coming off 3 years in a row of ~3 WAR per 200 / IP. He's also a plus fielder (somehow), and presumably adds some leadership value to the team . . . and certainly plenty of marketability. If we needed to scrap an FA signing to carve out money for Jason Castro, I'd navigate the time machine back to the day we signed Jim Johnson for 2 / $10m with significant incentives. I'm especially nervous about JJ now that McDowell is gone, since it seems that he's played a role in getting him "fixed" when things go awry.

    As for Garcia, I think the price paid was fair. I don't view it as favorably as Fangraphs / Dave Cameron, who had his acquisition as one of the top moves of the MLB offseason, but I don't have major concerns with the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I can't believe we spent 12M on this guy and came up short trying to get a catcher.
    Meanwhile, they could have had Smyly for Mallex.

    But Coppy is a genius, so it will all work out.

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    It's a 1 yr fa deal without any comp attached. There are no bad deals like that.

    If he's done we lose some money and some games. It's not a bug deal.

    I think he'll do his thing and end up with similar numbers as last yr

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    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    I'd navigate the time machine back to the day we signed Jim Johnson for 2 / $10m with significant incentives. I'm especially nervous about JJ now that McDowell is gone, since it seems that he's played a role in getting him "fixed" when things go awry.
    I hated that deal, JJ could've had an ERA around 4 if not for Inciarte taking back a three run homer and numerous other great plays on defense last year. He's only still here because of John Hart as Hart said just before coming to us that JJ is his favorite closer and that he thought he was as good as anyone (yes, he even thought him better than Kimbrel, etc at the time). Hart has a habit of this sort of thing, JJ is one example, another was AJ who was basically family and of course he also had to have Olivera and we know how that turned out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Meanwhile, they could have had Smyly for Mallex.

    But Coppy is a genius, so it will all work out.
    Hey Niners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    I cannot believe we gave up three recent top 30 prospects for an oft-injured Garcia who's only on a one year deal making another 12 million himself. Between Colon and him we spent 24.5 million plus three prospects that were all recently in our top 30. Why didn't we just sign another free agent and keep the prospects? If you have 24.5 million to spend get someone good and a better catcher to pair with Flowers and keep the prospects too. That would make more sense!

    That said, I was all for signing Dickey and he was also cheaper by 4.5 million or so.
    You forgot to mention the three prospects who were recently in the top 30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    You forgot to mention the three prospects who were recently in the top 30.
    I believe it was Gant, Ellis and Dykstra. Is there a link to your mid 2016 list, before the draft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I believe it was Gant, Ellis and Dykstra. Is there a link to your mid 2016 list, before the draft.
    He was just acting like a childish ass (ie. mocking me). That said, MLBTR noted all three being top 30 prospects in their original report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    He was just acting like a childish ass (ie. mocking me). That said, MLBTR noted all three being top 30 prospects in their original report.
    for me both Gant and Dykstra were in our top 20 ahead of the 2016 draft

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    I feel like Dykstra was below relievers for me. Only tool was hit.

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    Granted, it's only one game but it counts, as opposed to ST. Wanted to re-visit the childish rants!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Meanwhile, they could have had Smyly for Mallex.

    But Coppy is a genius, so it will all work out.
    Hmmmmm...
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Just read this thread for the first time and, my goodness...

    we have the strangest sort of lynch mob on this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Just read this thread for the first time and, my goodness...

    we have the strangest sort of lynch mob on this board.
    There are fake fans on this board. Plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Hmmmmm...
    Oddly quiet about that injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Meanwhile, they could have had Smyly for Mallex.

    But Coppy is a genius, so it will all work out.
    Out 6-8 weeks at a minimum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    Out 6-8 weeks at a minimum...
    Injuries happen.. but the issue with Smyly is he barely can pitch a 100 innings avg per year. So he would not be considered a work horse. Braves already have Jamie.. so another potential ? would have been.. well non-genius.

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