looks like Viz is on the Colon diet
looks like Viz is on the Colon diet
If it will give him the durability of Colon, go for it.Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry
JohnAdcox (03-30-2017)
I agree. I'd LOVE to see it. We will see if that happens.
We should all be hoping for that perfect storm of good scenarios.
The only thing that really matters this season is at least 2 of Fried/Newcomb/Wisler/Blair demonstrate they are ready to step into the rotation full time in 2018. I imagine the Braves will sign a guy like Lackey or Colon to ashort term deal to fill in a single rotation slot, but the bulk of the rotation (4 slots) must consist of Teheran/Folty/Fried/Newcomb/Wisler/Blair.
If the Braves can go into 2018 with 4 home grown SPs plus a fill in FA like Colon or Lackey, it will make sense to sign Lucroy, sign a legit RHed 4th OFer like Rajai Davis, and push for 85+ wins and playoff contention in 2018.
If the young pitchers fall on their collective faces again this year, it makes sense to continue the holding pattern the Braves are currently using. There will be whispers of the rebuild failing when the base of the rebuild (pitching) fails to make an MLB impact, and Coppy will start to be on the hot seat. In this scenario we will have to worry about him making stupid "win now" moves/trades in order to save his job.
The results of this season and the trade value of guys like Garcia, Colon and Dickey are inconsequential. If they can be traded, trade them, no matter what the MLB team is doing. If the young pitchers aren't doing well enough to replace those old pitchers, there isn't much hope for the Braves in the near-term anyways.
Last edited by Enscheff; 03-30-2017 at 11:39 AM.
I'd agree here too. Viz and Garcia are probably our only legit chances to upgrade talent and have a solid replacement.
And not surprisingly, the Braves come in at #28 overall with 23.3 total WAR.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-...kings-summary/
I really hope The Genius knows something the public analysis sphere doesn't, or it's going to be another loooong summer for Braves fans.
How far from the 28th win total would the Braves have to be for it to be something he knew that the public analysis sphere didnt?
mfree80 (03-30-2017)
Out of the bottom 10. If the Braves accumulate 30 fWAR I would be shocked.
This really isn't shocking.
The rebuild won't really be "in effect" until some of the guys we have flipped or acquired are in the MLB lineup. What we have now is just kinda a cobbled together hodge podge. Vets on the way out\down, and the leftovers from the tear down in order to open a new stadium and not be a 60 win team. While good for draft stock, I think the prevailing thought in our FO is that's just bad for business.
That's just my thought process. I NEVER thought we could be good by 17. I really was always thinking 19?
Ivermectin Man
What did you expect exactly? We are coming out of a complete tear-down rebuild.
Only the complete-homers think this is going to be a really good or above average team as currently constructed.
97 wins or bust for me.
Plenty of those around here
Has anyone said we were much better than 500 at best?
I'm curious...anyone expecting a winning record?
yes people have said that...and .500 at best is still pretty generous.
Fair enough. I haven't seen that aside from the posts meant as a joke.
Even claiming this roster will be .500 reeks of homerism. Claiming they can be better than .500 is sheer lunacy.
The guys at talkingchop are pretty much the most informed Braves homers around, and even they peg the Braves to win 75-78 games.
If the homers say 75-78, the reality is probably a few wins below that. The Braves will be lucky to be out of the Bottom 5 this year. In other words, just good enough to miss out on the truly elite talent in the draft...again...it's a trend.
Are you assuming that his in the Braves team we will be seeing all year? I'm not. Until I see who ends up being a placeholder, who over and under performs, who is traded for/away, and who surprises in the minors, I will refrain from predicting a record. It is hard enough when you have/use a lot of data. The uncertainty of who will even be on the team in a few months makes it really sketchy to predict a number of wins, even within a fairly narrow range.
I prefer to look optimistically and wait to see how it plays out, versus declaring anything based on the limited data we have right now.
That's also why I think the angst about the weak bench is a bit misplaced. I suspect that situation will not last long.
Let the games begin..... finally
bravesfanMatt (03-30-2017)
Current roster is projected for 73 wins. What upgrades are likely?Are you assuming that his in the Braves team we will be seeing all year? I'm not. Until I see who ends up being a placeholder, who over and under performs, who is traded for/away, and who surprises in the minors, I will refrain from predicting a record. It is hard enough when you have/use a lot of data. The uncertainty of who will even be on the team in a few months makes it really sketchy to predict a number of wins, even within a fairly narrow range.
I prefer to look optimistically and wait to see how it plays out, versus declaring anything based on the limited data we have right now.
That's also why I think the angst about the weak bench is a bit misplaced. I suspect that situation will not last long.
Let the games begin..... finally
Phillips to Albies is maybe 1-2 wins, depending on how long they decide to stick with the below average Phillips at 2B. Now we are at 74-75 wins.
Teheran, Freeman and Inciarte are possibly each 1 win better than the projections. Now we are at 77-78 wins.
What other non-homerific improvements could possibly be made to this roster this late in the game?
I'm bullish on the Big 3, which is why I'm at 78 wins.
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