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    In 5 Years ...

    I am curious to see everyone's ideal line-up/rotation 5 years from now.

    CF - Incarte
    2B - Albies
    SS - Swanson
    LF - Acuna
    RF - TBD (Traded Player)
    1B - Freeman
    3B - Riley (Maitan is close to being called up)
    C - Cumberland/Morales - Split Time

    Impact Bench Players - Pache.

    Rotation: Allard, Anderson, Fried, Free Agent Signing, Wentz.

    Closer - Folty.
    Pen - Newcomb, Sims, Muller, Colon (ha).

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    2b Albies
    CF Inciarte
    RF Acuna
    1B Freeman
    C - Catcher by trade or Free Agent
    3B - Demeritte
    LF Jackson
    SS Swanson

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    2B Albies
    RF Acuna
    1B Freeman
    LF Trade or FA Acquisition
    C Trade or FA
    SS Maitan
    3B Yepez
    CF Inciarte

    Rotation: Soroka, Allard, Gohara, Anderson, 2017 Top Draft Pick

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    If I know one thing about baseball, it's that teams are always constructed with 8 of the 9 lineup spots occupied by homegrown players!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    If I know one thing about baseball, it's that teams are always constructed with 8 of the 9 lineup spots occupied by homegrown players!
    Good teams tend to have more homegrown players. 6 is not unreasonable among regulars. And 3-4 of the starting rotation. I think when we are making these 5 year projections it is also natural to go with lineups and rotations that are over-represented by guys already in the system. I would say non-homegrown players should account for 3-5 of the 13 that make up the lineup and rotation.

    My own projection only has 2 non-homegrown players. The left fielder and catcher. In part, this reflects my preference that we go for quality rather than quantity in filling the holes that our farm system is not able to fill.
    Last edited by nsacpi; 04-25-2017 at 12:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Good teams tend to have more homegrown players. 6 is not unreasonable among regulars. And 3-4 of the starting rotation. I think when we are making these 5 year projections it is also natural to go with lineups and rotations that are over-represented by guys already in the system. I would say non-homegrown players should account for 3-5 of the 13 that make up the lineup and rotation.

    My own projection only has 2 non-homegrown players. The left fielder and catcher. In part, this reflects my preference that we go for quality rather than quantity in filling the holes that our farm system is not able to fill.
    And you would be correct. If you look at the other lineups posted, they all seem to follow the "8 out of 9" falsehood.

    Ideally (and somewhat realistically), 5 years from now (opening day 2022) the lineup is:

    2B Albies (25, Arb 2)
    SS Swanson (28, in his walk year)
    RF Acuna (24, Arb 1)
    LF 2022's version of Matt Kemp
    1B 35+ year old FA after Freeman signs somewhere else
    3B Maitan (22, pre-Arb)
    C Someone terrible
    CF Pache (22, pre-Arb)

    Util Demerritte
    4th OFer Inciarte (31, walk year)

    Rotation 3 of Newcomb/Fried/Allard/Anderson/Soroka plus 2 old FAs on short deals

    Folty will be long gone by 2022

    BP? Who knows, but rest assured it won't be anyone currently on the radar unless they are failed prospects like Touki, Sims, Newcomb, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    And you would be correct. If you look at the other lineups posted, they all seem to follow the "8 out of 9" falsehood.

    Ideally (and somewhat realistically), 5 years from now (opening day 2022) the lineup is:

    2B Albies (25, Arb 2)
    SS Swanson (28, in his walk year)
    RF Acuna (24, Arb 1)
    LF 2022's version of Matt Kemp
    1B 35+ year old FA after Freeman signs somewhere else
    3B Maitan (22, pre-Arb)
    C Someone terrible
    CF Pache (22, pre-Arb)

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    4th OFer Inciarte (31, walk year)

    Rotation 3 of Newcomb/Fried/Allard/Anderson/Soroka plus 2 old FAs on short deals

    Folty will be long gone by 2022

    BP? Who knows, but rest assured it won't be anyone currently on the radar unless they are failed prospects like Touki, Sims, Newcomb, etc.
    I think an interesting question is the "currency" to be used to acquire the two or three players we will be needing to go outside the system to acquire. Obviously, payroll is part of that. But presumably that gets leveraged by trading some players and prospects we already have. In a scenario for example where Maitan shows he can stick at short, we might move Swanson to fill one of those needs. Generally though, it is hard to identify areas of "surplus" we can deal from. Even starting pitching doesn't look to be an area of surplus to me. Maybe I shouldn't say that here and ruin the vibe in the Optimists Club.

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    Maitan only close at 22? Did I wander into the Pessimism forum by mistake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think an interesting question is the "currency" to be used to acquire the two or three players we will be needing to go outside the system to acquire. Obviously, payroll is part of that. But presumably that gets leveraged by trading some players and prospects we already have. In a scenario for example where Maitan shows he can stick at short, we might move Swanson to fill one of those needs. Generally though, it is hard to identify areas of "surplus" we can deal from. Even starting pitching doesn't look to be an area of surplus to me. Maybe I shouldn't say that here and ruin the vibe in the Optimists Club.
    It is highly unlikely the Braves trade a MLB SS to a team and acquire another legit (as in not Aybar) MLB player. The most likely scenario for the Braves moving forward is to trade spare parts for short term guys (like Jaime Garcia and Matt Kemp) and signing mid-tier FAs (like Markakis, Colon, and Dickey) to fill the holes the farm can't.

    The Braves will never, ever, be in position to lay out the resources needed to acquire a significant MLB talent with significant control remaining. All we can hope for is the FO becomes better at player valuations, and stops thinking guys like Kemp are actually contributors to a winning team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    It is highly unlikely the Braves trade a MLB SS to a team and acquire another legit (as in not Aybar) MLB player. The most likely scenario for the Braves moving forward is to trade spare parts for short term guys (like Jaime Garcia and Matt Kemp) and signing mid-tier FAs (like Markakis, Colon, and Dickey) to fill the holes the farm can't.

    The Braves will never, ever, be in position to lay out the resources needed to acquire a significant MLB talent with significant control remaining. All we can hope for is the FO becomes better at player valuations, and stops thinking guys like Kemp are actually contributors to a winning team.
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    Would like to see a list of all teams that 8 of 9 roster spots that are from completely homegrown players. Bet that there isn't even one.

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    CF - Incarte
    2B - Albies
    SS - Swanson
    LF - M. Brantley
    RF - Harper
    1B - Freeman
    3B - Riley (Maitan is close to being called up)
    C - Jackson

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