MINORS FINAL; 4/26 WEDNESDAY: Tough Act to Follow

[Enscheff]

I know he's a ways away, but Anderson has been pretty dominant, aside from just the basic 'all pitching prospects have risk' I don't see why you think he's a 4/5 type.

Newcomb isn't going to be a bullpen guy, some team is going to let him start. Honestly with his build, high-end stuff and ability to strike people out - I don't think its tough to see him at least becoming a back-end inconsistent type starter. But I'd be very surprised by a move to the pen with him. He'll start somewhere, the biggest question with Nuke is how close to his ceiling does he get.

The Braves currently have 6 pitchers that could be considered Top 50-100 prospects (and none in the elite and more "sure thing" Top 10). Historically, about 40%-70% of those guys fail to produce even 3 WAR at the MLB level.

I am projecting 1 to have a significant career, 2 to have decent careers, and 3 more to have some sort of MLB career in the BP.

If anything, I am being optimistic about this group of pitchers.

I realize Braves homers think all these pitching prospects will pan out, but facts are facts, and the facts are that it's more likely each one of these guys produce nothing than produce significant careers.

[bravesfanMatt]

yep.. just like Folty..

[Enscheff]

yep.. just like Folty..

Folty is from the Blair/Wisler/Jenkins group and is the only one having any success. I think the numbers are playing out exactly as projected with that group.

Wisler - Top 50 guy
Blair - Top 50 guy
Jenkins - Top 100 guy

But you're right, I'm sure this next wave of pitchers will be different.

Posi-Braves assssssemblllllle!

[thewupk]

Folty is from the Blair/Wisler/Jenkins group and is the only one having any success. I think the numbers are playing out exactly as projected with that group.

Wisler - Top 50 guy
Blair - Top 50 guy
Jenkins - Top 100 guy

But you're right, I'm sure this next wave of pitchers will be different.

Posi-Braves assssssemblllllle!

But those guys aren't on the same level as our current pitching corp. Yet when some try to say the Braves got great value in all of their trades the Wisler and Newcombs of the world become world beaters.

[Enscheff]

But those guys aren't on the same level as our current pitching corp. Yet when some try to say the Braves got great value in all of their trades the Wisler and Newcombs of the world become world beaters.

It all depends on which way the derptards are trying to spin their argument at any particular moment.

[Preacher]

The Braves currently have 6 pitchers that could be considered Top 50-100 prospects (and none in the elite and more "sure thing" Top 10). Historically, about 40%-70% of those guys fail to produce even 3 WAR at the MLB level.

I am projecting 1 to have a significant career, 2 to have decent careers, and 3 more to have some sort of MLB career in the BP.

If anything, I am being optimistic about this group of pitchers.

I realize Braves homers think all these pitching prospects will pan out, but facts are facts, and the facts are that it's more likely each one of these guys produce nothing than produce significant careers.

Nobody thinks all these pitchers will pan out, you can stop with the hyperbole.

You're just taking the stance that most pitchers don't pan out - so this crop likely won't either - that's fine.

[bravesfanMatt]

But those guys aren't on the same level as our current pitching corp. Yet when some try to say the Braves got great value in all of their trades the Wisler and Newcombs of the world become world beaters.

I think Wisler holds value. he has the ability to be a MLB player.. Newcomb is an enigma to me. I can't decide if I trust him or not. but I still think he has very high level potential.. that is all I need right now..

[Preacher]

The Braves currently have 6 pitchers that could be considered Top 50-100 prospects (and none in the elite and more "sure thing" Top 10). Historically, about 40%-70% of those guys fail to produce even 3 WAR at the MLB level.

I am projecting 1 to have a significant career, 2 to have decent careers, and 3 more to have some sort of MLB career in the BP.

If anything, I am being optimistic about this group of pitchers.

I realize Braves homers think all these pitching prospects will pan out, but facts are facts, and the facts are that it's more likely each one of these guys produce nothing than produce significant careers.

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[Enscheff]

I think Wisler holds value. he has the ability to be a MLB player.. Newcomb is an enigma to me. I can't decide if I trust him or not. but I still think he has very high level potential.. that is all I need right now..

Posi-Braves asssssemmmmbblllle! Circle jerk in 20 minutes!!

One of you guys excitedly writes all the pitching prospects in a list, drop it on the floor in the middle of the circle, and let's go to town!! Oh yeah!!

[clvclv]

Nobody thinks all these pitchers will pan out, you can stop with the hyperbole.

You're just taking the stance that most pitchers don't pan out - so this crop likely won't either - that's fine.

Easiest way to keep pricks from being pricks is ignore them - why not just let him argue with himself?

[bravesfanMatt]

Posi-Braves asssssemmmmbblllle! Circle jerk in 20 minutes!!

One of you guys excitedly writes all the pitching prospects in a list, drop it on the floor in the middle of the circle, and let's go to town!! Oh yeah!!

Don't get jealous because no one will join your circle around Lewis's college stats and Hahn smiling at you..

[CJ9]

Posi-Braves asssssemmmmbblllle! Circle jerk in 20 minutes!!

One of you guys excitedly writes all the pitching prospects in a list, drop it on the floor in the middle of the circle, and let's go to town!! Oh yeah!!

Umm... what?

[Southcack77]

Nobody thinks all these pitchers will pan out, you can stop with the hyperbole.

You're just taking the stance that most pitchers don't pan out - so this crop likely won't either - that's fine.

Some of them will, some of them won't. The claim that he knows which ones will and which ones won't -- down in low A ball -- is pretty much a throwaway troll.

[Enscheff]

Don't get jealous because no one will join your circle around Lewis's college stats and Hahn smiling at you..

Matt, you bring the lube. I know you have a bottle of the good stuff sitting by your PC you use to watch all the minor league games!

Posi-Braves asssemmmmmbbblllle! 15 minutes until the fun starts!!

[Enscheff]

Some of them will, some of them won't. The claim that he knows which ones will and which ones won't -- down in low A ball -- is pretty much a throwaway troll.

I'm making predictions that are at least consistent with historical facts.

Or are you another posi-Brave that thinks this next wave of pitchers is any different than the last wave of pitchers? Are they special? Just like the previous wave was special...until they weren't?

[bravesfanMatt]

Matt, you bring the lube. I know you have a bottle of the good stuff sitting by your PC you use to watch all the minor league games!

Posi-Braves asssemmmmmbbblllle! 15 minutes until the fun starts!!

That was a terrible comeback.. come on.. you are off today.

[Enscheff]

That was a terrible comeback.. come on.. you are off today.

Sorry, I can only come up with so much circle jerk related commentary.

But i can get the list started:

Newcomb oooohhhhh
Touki yyessssssss
Soroka aaahhhh
Sims wwweeeeeeee

Posi_Braves asssemmmmemmmbblllle!

[bravesfanMatt]

Sorry, I can only come up with so much circle jerk related commentary.

But i can get the list started:

Newcomb oooohhhhh
Touki yyessssssss
Soroka aaahhhh
Sims wwweeeeeeee

Posi_Braves asssemmmmemmmbblllle!

getting better.. pretty weird.. but at least on the funny side again..

[bravesguy]

Sorry, I can only come up with so much circle jerk related commentary.

But i can get the list started:

Newcomb oooohhhhh
Touki yyessssssss
Soroka aaahhhh
Sims wwweeeeeeee

Posi_Braves asssemmmmemmmbblllle!

Maybe because I am new here, but I am not sure the conclusion you are trying to get at with the circle jerk you are organizing.

We all know that if you have 5 good candidates, then only 1 will likely have a decent career.
-- your point of Folty out of Folty, Wisler, Blair, Jenkins, Gant

But what I don't get is what is the argument? No one should have been excited about Gant because he surprised in AAA with some good outings? or if they got excited, then they should have kept it to themselves at their computer?

[Enscheff]

Maybe because I am new here, but I am not sure the conclusion you are trying to get at with the circle jerk you are organizing.

We all know that if you have 5 good candidates, then only 1 will likely have a decent career.
-- your point of Folty out of Folty, Wisler, Blair, Jenkins, Gant

But what I don't get is what is the argument? No one should have been excited about Gant because he surprised in AAA with some good outings? or if they got excited, then they should have kept it to themselves at their computer?

They want to argue that this wave of pitchers is different. I want to argue that this wave of pitchers is exactly the same as the last. This is a message board, so we argue. The Braves suck, so all we can argue about is what future Braves might do.