I realize he is on the DL right now. But once he comes off it. Adonis Garcia for Prado. Straight up with no money involved. Two questions:
1) would the fish do it
2) should the braves do it
I realize he is on the DL right now. But once he comes off it. Adonis Garcia for Prado. Straight up with no money involved. Two questions:
1) would the fish do it
2) should the braves do it
For me, it's a question of money. The Marlins save it, Braves spend it.
Prado's best years are long behind him but he might still be worth his contract through 2019. We know Garcia isn't the answer. So, to me, it's more about the question between Pardo and his cost versus what the Braves have internally (Ruiz, Franco, Riley, maybe even Demeritte) versus potential FA acquisition (Moustakas) versus potential trade acquisition.
If I thought he was the last piece of the puzzle then I would say yes. However, right now, for me it's no.
Hell, even I would trade Adonis for Prado. I'd probably spiral into a deep depression and kill myself using a combination of barbed wire, duct tape, whiteout, a box of Froot Loops, a silver thimble packed with dirt from my homeland, a bone toothpick, three socks, and an apple. But I'd do it.
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Prado's contract calls for him to make 13.5M in 2018 and 15M in 2019. I'm guessing Moustakas will get a similar AAV over 4 or 5 years this off-season. So the question between those two is whether we want Moose over his age 29-33 seasons or Prado for two years over his age 34-35 season.
Solarte is another third baseman of similar value. His contract is more favorable. His is scheduled to make 4M in 2018 and has options for 5.5M in 2019 and 8M in 2020 (his age 30-32 seasons). I think there is significant surplus value there. He would probably cost us a prospect of the caliber of Sims, Weigel or Fried.
Looking at those three options I prefer Prado over Moose because of the risk associated with a longer deal (even taking into account that Prado is older). I prefer Prado over Solarte because of the likely cost in prospects for Solarte.
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No chance that they take that IMO.
I think the idea of trying to pry him away fairly cheaply to help them dump salary makes some sense (on the surface, at least), but they surely aren't crazy enough to give him up for "nothing". I can't imagine that they'd give him up for something other than younger guys/prospects - even if they're not highly thought of - have to at least have the possibility of contributing at some point.
Try this offer...
Albies, Wisler, Ruiz, and Bartolo for Prado and Dee Gordon.
Gordon replaces Albies long-term, and getting Bartolo off the books this year pays for one of the guys we add. More or less breaks down to Wisler and Ruiz for Prado, Albies for Gordon, and the Fish take Big Sexy's money to make it work for us financially - PLUS we get the benefit of plugging Newcomb/Sims into the rotation for the rest of the season to get their feet wet. We could even include Dat Dude if they want to hold off on Albies until next spring.
Last edited by clvclv; 05-15-2017 at 09:23 AM.
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That deal would be a coup for Miami. I wouldn't even do Albies for Gordon straight up.
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A Top 20 prospect who we hope turns into a slightly above average regular at the MLB level. I love Albies, but let's don't overrate what he is just because he's high on some of the lists. Acuna is a far better prospect regardless of ranking.
For those getting a little ahead of themselves with Ozzie, realize that Gordon is probably a great comp - all speed no power, and not seriously likely to develop any either.
Gordon (MiLB career) - 2086 ABs, .301/.359/.387/.745, 75 2Bs, 42 3Bs, 7 HRs, 172/328 BB/K Ratio, 230/297 SBs
Albies (MiLB Career) - 1286 ABs, .304/.368/.414/.782, 70 2Bs, 24 3Bs, 8 HRs, 124/209 BB/K Ratio, 92/119 SBs
Hoping for Albies to be far superior than Gordon isn't that great an idea IMO. That doesn't mean he'll be a flop by any means, but they're likely to end up being pretty similar players in the end. The "bonus" (if there is one) with Gordon is that he comes with cost-certainty through 2021, and is under control for almost the same amount of time as Ozzie.
Like everyone else, I'm in no hurry to trade Albies, but let's don't act like he's going to be a superstar.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Did Dee Gordon ever face a pitcher younger than him? Because Ozzie hasn't.
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You could well be right about the kind of player Albies will turn out to be. But he is far more valuable than Gordon because of the salary difference. Gordon is scheduled to make 10.5, 13 and 13.5M over the next three years, with an option for 14M in 2021. Albies will be making major league minimum his first three years in the majors. That's a yuge difference. Yuge.