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    Quote Originally Posted by WaitingFor2017 View Post
    This team is going to have many attractive trading pieces, and I hope they trade most, if not all, of them.

    Phillips, Adams, J. Garcia, J. Johnson, Ramirez, Vizcaino, Motte, and even Markakis could be attractive to some teams.

    The best farm in baseball should take advantage and get richer before August.
    Teheran, if he can have a nice streak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    Teheran, if he can have a nice streak.
    I would but management will not (or they would have moved him at the deadline or the offseason). He is about to get into his more expensive years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    Charge a premium though. Not trying to see them succeed.
    Ultimately it has no effect on the Braves when they expect to contend so it doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Ultimately it has no effect on the Braves when they expect to contend so it doesn't matter.
    Still don't want them celebrating because my team helped them. That is the fan talking. The GM in me says take their farm. It only helps us in 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Still don't want them celebrating because my team helped them. That is the fan talking. The GM in me says take their farm. It only helps us in 2 years.
    Actually damaging their future and helping ours is a win/win. If they win it all (which probably won't happen)...who cares. Highest bidder wins...even if it's the friggin Yankees (who I hate on another level).

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    Have zero issues trading within the division, I actually kind of like it. We are aiming at competing in a couple years..... taking pieces from their farm hurts them down the road.

    I'll never get the aversion people have with this.

    We really match up pretty well with their needs.

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    some still wanting to trade Julio

    for **** shake
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    some still wanting to trade Julio

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    Are you completely against it, even if we get offered a good package?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    some still wanting to trade Julio

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    It's hard to imagine wanting to trade a player with declining abilities.

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    Just so hard to put a label on this team. A real outlier kind of game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    It's hard to imagine wanting to trade a player with declining abilities.
    Declining player with an inclining contract.

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    LOVE BEATING THE GNUTS LIKE THAT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    Declining player with an inclining contract.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    It's hard to imagine wanting to trade a player with declining abilities.
    If he rebounds and pitches like he has for most of his career, why wouldn't trade be an option? And why wouldn't you want to trade a guy if you believe his abilities are declining (which I do not)?

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    This desire to write guys off so early is very weird to me. Teheran was a 4.8 bWAR pitcher last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    If he rebounds and pitches like he has for most of his career, why wouldn't trade be an option? And why wouldn't you want to trade a guy if you believe his abilities are declining (which I do not)?
    Whoosh!! give it a second, it might come back and hit you.


    Now my thoughts on JT. I think we need to keep him. We have to draw the line in the sand and say rebuild over. We have to have pitchers. If JT is our 4 or 5th best starter then we are going to be good. His contract is NEVER going to be expensive and I really don't think he is going to completely fall off the cliff in ability. Assuming Jamie is traded this year.. we have JT and Folty as locks in the mix. I am all in on giving Newk/Wisler/Sims/Meds/Blair/Albers continued looks after the deadline trades and we release or delegate to the Pen Dickey and Colon. But I do not want to trade JT at a depressed value and have a shaky Folty as our only pitcher going into next year.

    that said, if Newk and Folty look solid the remainder of the year and Wisler and another guy start to get back to form, then I would be open to trading JT this off season as long as Weigel and others are still showing signs of knocking on the door.

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    The thing on trading Teheran is that we have to get Sims, Weigel, and Newcomb extended looks or we won't be fielding a pitching staff. My guess is Dickey stays because he is untradeable. Colon is done after this year. I think Garcia is the most likely trade target if he continues to pitch well. But the game requires that someone pitch and unless we want to throw Blair out there for what would likely be a Colon look-alike contest on the stat sheet, there aren't a ton of options. I suppose we could scrub AAA like we did last year for guys like Graham Harrell and mail it in after August 1, but it's my guess Teheran sticks around. He's only 26. He never became the hard thrower that was advertised when he first signed, but part of me believes that he's over-muscled right now and that has taken a tick off his fastball. I could go either way on trading him, but I wouldn't give him away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    But I do not want to trade JT at a depressed value
    I don't either, which is why I said what I said about him righting the ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Just so hard to put a label on this team. A real outlier kind of game.
    It really is and it's so annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    The thing on trading Teheran is that we have to get Sims, Weigel, and Newcomb extended looks or we won't be fielding a pitching staff. My guess is Dickey stays because he is untradeable. Colon is done after this year. I think Garcia is the most likely trade target if he continues to pitch well. But the game requires that someone pitch and unless we want to throw Blair out there for what would likely be a Colon look-alike contest on the stat sheet, there aren't a ton of options. I suppose we could scrub AAA like we did last year for guys like Graham Harrell and mail it in after August 1, but it's my guess Teheran sticks around. He's only 26. He never became the hard thrower that was advertised when he first signed, but part of me believes that he's over-muscled right now and that has taken a tick off his fastball. I could go either way on trading him, but I wouldn't give him away.
    Dickey has a team option. It's not likely to be picked up next year. My guess is that the Braves will probably roll into next season with Teheran and Folty. I'm thinking maybe two prospect slots and another veteran on short term deal in the fifth slot.

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