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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Crazy that you found an article where someone answered the exact question I asked haha. I was looking for more sustained success than 1 outlier season, but that list of names is informative. Here are the guys that appear on the list more than once (meaning sustained success with 2 pitches, * indicates more than twice):

    Archer (we know he is a good comp)
    Burnett
    Kershaw
    Jackson
    Gio*
    Kuroda*
    Santana
    Beckett

    The question then becomes, are Newk's 2 pitches as good as those guys' 2 pitches? We can't compare all the pitches to each other easily, but we can compare FA velocity. Here are the average FA velocities of Archer, Gio and Kuroda over the 3 seasons they posted 3+ WAR as 2-pitch guys:

    Archer: 95.0-95.9
    Gio: 92.8-94.2
    Kuroda: 92.1-93.1

    Gio and Kuroda posted those average velocities back when the average MLB FA was more than 1 MPH slower than today, so we can mentally add 1 MPH to account for "velocity inflation".

    Newcomb: 92.8

    So Newk's FA is sitting a 1-2 ticks below the velocity those guys had on their FA to make being a 2-pitch guy work for an extended period of time. In other words, it doesn't appear his 2 pitches are good enough to sustain success by using only those 2 pitches.

    It should also be noted those guys all used a 3rd pitch more than Newk currently does. They had a better FA than Newk AND they used a 3rd pitch more often to get these results.

    I still think he needs to add a 3rd pitch, and I still think it needs to be a change. He probably only needs to get that change to about a 45 and use it ~10 times per game to be a truly effective SP over a decent stretch of time. It is certainly doable.

    Oddly enough, I have seen Gio comps thrown around for Newk quite a bit. We should all be thrilled if that's what he ends up being.
    I don't delve that far into stats but what exactly is FA? I'm assuming that's his average fastball? Cause I show 93.7 as his average fastball on fangraphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I don't delve that far into stats but what exactly is FA? I'm assuming that's his average fastball? Cause I show 93.7 as his average fastball on fangraphs.
    No clue what you're looking at.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.asp...tch=FA&data=pi

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    Throwing from the left side like Gio helps

    I don't see how it's a debate. He can be a solid MLB pitcher if this sss is really him. If he's going to be better than an avg 3 he's got to have a third pitch. You don't predict outliers. It's possible he's archer but you don't predict it

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    Does no colon mean we won't trade Garcia before he breaks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    On his season stats page. Scroll down to pitch velocity. Says his fast ball velocity aso 93.7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    Does no colon mean we won't trade Garcia before he breaks?
    There are plenty of guys in AAA that can replace Garcia.

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    Yankees send down Andujar to call up Fowler, who injures himself(looked pretty bad) fielding a ball in foul territory. Had to be carted off after collapsing when trying to stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomabrave View Post
    Yankees send down Andujar to call up Fowler, who injures himself(looked pretty bad) fielding a ball in foul territory. Had to be carted off after collapsing when trying to stand.
    Tore his patellar tendon. Awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Tore his patellar tendon. Awful.
    investing in risky assets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    investing in risky assets...
    Eaton, Turner, Fowler, Heyward. All DL bound. Risk risk risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Eaton, Turner, Fowler, Heyward. All DL bound. Risk risk risk.
    what happened to Heyward..

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    Haha, did the board braintrust really just start off the morning trying to blabber about position players being as risky as pitchers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Haha, did the board braintrust really just start off the morning trying to blabber about position players being as risky as pitchers?

    Tanks for the chuckle first thing in the morning! Derrrrrherrrrrp!

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    What's the consensus on the trade deadline what do you think will happen with the team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcc03004 View Post
    What's the consensus on the trade deadline what do you think will happen with the team?
    I'm expecting minimal trade activity by the Bravos
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcc03004 View Post
    What's the consensus on the trade deadline what do you think will happen with the team?
    I'm expecting us to trade Garcia Phillips and Johnson. Wouldn't shock me if we bought someone like a prado ( good player and upgrade for us but overpaid so not expensive to buy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    I'm expecting us to trade Garcia Phillips and Johnson. Wouldn't shock me if we bought someone like a prado ( good player and upgrade for us but overpaid so not expensive to buy).
    Prado would provide a graceful way to throw in the towel on the Freddie at third experiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Prado would provide a graceful way to throw in the towel on the Freddie at third experiment.
    Agreed I can see us trading Adams and trading for Prado.

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    I don't think it will actually be prado. Someone like prado.

    Maybe even someone like Phillips.

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