Page 80 of 141 FirstFirst ... 3070787980818290130 ... LastLast
Results 1,581 to 1,600 of 2801

Thread: Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread

  1. #1581
    It's OVER 5,000! striker42's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    10,598
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    387
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,189
    Thanked in
    2,041 Posts
    The return for Garcia is not going to be anything earth shaking. If we hold onto him until the end of the month and he has a couple bad games cooling off all interest in him, it's not a major loss.

    Honestly, nothing we'd be willing to sell right now (Dickey, Garcia, Phillips) is particularly elite. There are better players on the block that will draw interest first. Right now we just need to wait. The better players that teams are actually willing to move are going to be moved or teams will fall out of the race for them. When that happens we'll have a better market for our guys. The market for second tier guys like these usually heats up in the days nearing the deadline as more teams turn to option B.

    Waiting also gives us a chance to either fall farther out or start to climb back into it.

    The benefits of waiting outweigh the drawbacks.

  2. #1582
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,433
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post

    The benefits of waiting outweigh the drawbacks.
    I think you could argue that one both ways. Not clear to me that waiting is the right move with Garcia.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  3. #1583
    10 yr, $185 million Extension
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    4,557
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    261
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,520
    Thanked in
    1,477 Posts
    Interesting that a lot of evaluators don't like the White Sox's return in this deal.

    https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/whi...underwhelming/

  4. #1584
    Hessmania Forever
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    13,995
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    4,887
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    7,678
    Thanked in
    4,941 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Headley is a ~2 WAR player, so $13M is well worth him. Additionally, only 1 year is a great stop gap to buy us time to find a long term piece.

    He'd be a good candiate to bridge the gap for us next year... much better than Prado et all
    I don't think much of Headley, but you're right that he'd be a decent bridge candidate. I would prefer him to investing 3 or 4 years in Todd Frazier.

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to 50PoundHead For This Useful Post:

    Tapate50 (07-19-2017)

  6. #1585
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think you could argue that one both ways. Not clear to me that waiting is the right move with Garcia.
    The biggest value is opening up a rotation sport to see what we got in the kiddies

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to sturg33 For This Useful Post:

    Jaw (07-20-2017)

  8. #1586
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Chase Headley is owed something like 20 million dollars between now and the end of his contract (2018). In that time, he will give you roughly 1.5 to 3 WAR. Its not only not a terrible contract, but probably a perfect one to consider if the Yanks have to motivation to get rid of the contract. This is an odd post.
    Do you have any clue how much 1.5 to 3 WAR costs on the FA market?

    Of course you don't, so I'll tell you:

    $15M-$30M.

    Headley's contract isn't that bad at all. It's not good, but if the Braves get him for a nothing prospect it could be a decent move.

  9. #1587
    On BBA's Top 100 Prospects List PurpleBrave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    725
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    45
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    192
    Thanked in
    110 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    The return for Garcia is not going to be anything earth shaking. If we hold onto him until the end of the month and he has a couple bad games cooling off all interest in him, it's not a major loss.

    Honestly, nothing we'd be willing to sell right now (Dickey, Garcia, Phillips) is particularly elite. There are better players on the block that will draw interest first. Right now we just need to wait. The better players that teams are actually willing to move are going to be moved or teams will fall out of the race for them. When that happens we'll have a better market for our guys. The market for second tier guys like these usually heats up in the days nearing the deadline as more teams turn to option B.

    Waiting also gives us a chance to either fall farther out or start to climb back into it.

    The benefits of waiting outweigh the drawbacks.
    Agree with what you said about our pieces not being elite, but the SP market is very weak right now. The Giants pitchers are expensive and/or are a mess. Padres have Clayton Richard. Tigers would ship Verlander at a price nobody will be wanting to pay. Sonny Gray. Who else? Not a whole lot out there. The Rangers don't know what they are doing. It's basically Gray and a bunch of below average pitchers.

    If there was ever a time to trade Garcia or Dickey, it's now. Won't ever get a higher return for them.

  10. #1588
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Interesting that a lot of evaluators don't like the White Sox's return in this deal.

    https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/whi...underwhelming/
    A lot of folks are over rating Kahnle. They seem to weigh the 30 amazing innings this year more heavily than the 120 mediocre innings he posted before that.

    BP arms are the most volatile asset in the game. I think the Sox did well to sell high on him.

  11. #1589
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Do you have any clue how much 1.5 to 3 WAR costs on the FA market?

    Of course you don't, so I'll tell you:

    $15M-$30M.

    Headley's contract isn't that bad at all. It's not good, but if the Braves get him for a nothing prospect it could be a decent move.
    You're literally supporting his point while simultaneously insulting him

  12. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to sturg33 For This Useful Post:

    Managuarantano's Volunteers (07-19-2017), mfree80 (07-19-2017), Tapate50 (07-19-2017)

  13. #1590
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    7,772
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    270
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,491
    Thanked in
    1,150 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Do you have any clue how much 1.5 to 3 WAR costs on the FA market?

    Of course you don't, so I'll tell you:

    $15M-$30M.

    Headley's contract isn't that bad at all. It's not good, but if the Braves get him for a nothing prospect it could be a decent move.

    I read it a couple of times before understanding it also, but giles was saying that Headley's contract wasn't bad.

  14. #1591
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I read it a couple of times before understanding it also, but giles was saying that Headley's contract wasn't bad.
    Hmm, I suppose I should just stop assuming 100% of what he posts is wrong.

    I'll dial it back to 90% and read his babble more carefully haha.

  15. #1592
    Mr. Free Trade
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    3,139
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    470
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    834
    Thanked in
    514 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Taking Headley back to help them with their payroll crunch is about as counterproductive as it gets.

    Make sure I get this right - you want Andujar so bad that you're willing to swap Garcia for Headley (more or less salary neutral for this season), AND tie up $13 million (instead of whatever Adams stands to make in arbitration next winter) of our 2018 payroll for someone who will contribute less offensively if he plays every day than Adams would off the bench?

    The Yankees HAVE the money - they just don't want to spend it. That's their problem. If I'm giving them two pieces they can really use because their fans are pressuring them to win this year, let Cashman do his job and figure out if it's worth going to ownership to find out if it's OK if he exceeds the cap to do so. If they absolutely have to have some salary relief, tell them we'll take Aaron Hicks' and Adam Warren's money back - they're not guaranteed anything next year - that would help with their roster crunch plus cover Adams' money AND clear up their OF logjam.

    I like him and all, but Andujar isn't a good enough prospect to be trading useful MLB pieces AND taking on useless dead money for - and Headley would do nothing but get in the way here. If Andujar needs more time, we've already got Rodriguez.

    Are you sure you're not a closet Yankees fan?
    This is funny. So much wrong here.

  16. #1593
    Mr. Free Trade
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    3,139
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    470
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    834
    Thanked in
    514 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Headley is a ~2 WAR player, so $13M is well worth him. Additionally, only 1 year is a great stop gap to buy us time to find a long term piece.

    He'd be a good candiate to bridge the gap for us next year... much better than Prado et all
    exactly

  17. #1594
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Adams and Garcia for Headley!

    WC 2018!!

  18. #1595
    Mr. Free Trade
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    3,139
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    470
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    834
    Thanked in
    514 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Harry has deemed 2018 a lost season. If you accept that as your premise, the rest flows logically.
    Not a lost season. The first season where you can expect to begin to build to contender status. 2017 is and should be a lost season.

  19. #1596
    On BBA's Top 100 Prospects List PurpleBrave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    725
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    45
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    192
    Thanked in
    110 Posts
    Headley is a very mediocre baseball player. So much so that the Yankees just traded for the 3b version of Chris Carter to replace him.

  20. #1597
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleBrave View Post
    Headley is a very mediocre baseball player. So much so that the Yankees just traded for the 3b version of Chris Carter to replace him.
    Frazier is probably going to play 1B

    Try again...

  21. #1598
    Atlanta Braves Fan
    Wash Nationals Fan
    Bryce Harper Fanatic

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    11,459
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    87
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,317
    Thanked in
    874 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Do you have any clue how much 1.5 to 3 WAR costs on the FA market?

    Of course you don't, so I'll tell you:

    $15M-$30M.

    Headley's contract isn't that bad at all. It's not good, but if the Braves get him for a nothing prospect it could be a decent move.
    Of course I understand what that gets on the FA market, which is why I made the point I did and you backed it up despite all the other drivel added. I guess comprehension is something you struggle with.
    "Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe

  22. #1599
    On BBA's Top 100 Prospects List PurpleBrave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    725
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    45
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    192
    Thanked in
    110 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Frazier is probably going to play 1B

    Try again...
    Well, I guess I'm wrong there, but Todd Frazier could play shortstop and Headley would still be a mediocre baseball player.

  23. #1600
    Mr. Free Trade
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    3,139
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    470
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    834
    Thanked in
    514 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I'm sure Harry will respond in due course. But he has been very vocal about trading Teheran. He was once very much in favor of trading Freeman but seems to now favor giving him some sort of face-of-the-franchise exemption.
    Yes. Teheran should have been traded and now that he has strung together some good starts and rebuilt his value "a bit," with the premium on SP for real contenders, I would see what he would bring back. I wouldn't need to obviously "win" a deal to move him, not near a Quintana deal which won't happen now anyway, but...say Houston was willing to go Teheran and Viz for OF Fisher, C Rogers and OF Gilberto Celestino then you make that move.

    As for trading Freeman, I think that when the rebuild was obviously in full force, I would have shopped him hard to see if I could have gotten a premium return for him, but now, I can't see any way to trade him. To be fair to Freddie, he has advanced to where he is now a true "face of the franchise" kind of player. I've always maintained that to be a FoF type player, said player must be at least top three at his position in baseball. I think Freddie is now in that group (Votto, Goldschmidt - guys like Rizzo, Bellinger are close).

    Trading Freeman 1-2 years ago would have brought more quantity and quality talent to the team and given the FO time to replace Freeman before the window begins to open (either internally or through FA). But now, it's too late for that I think.

Similar Threads

  1. Official Prediction Thread: 2017 MLB Season (Braves Only)
    By thethe in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 45
    Last Post: 07-10-2017, 12:06 PM
  2. Official pre-Draft thread
    By Hudson2 in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 1270
    Last Post: 06-13-2017, 03:01 PM
  3. Official off-season trade rumor and suggestion thread
    By Enscheff in forum The Fredi Archives
    Replies: 721
    Last Post: 02-28-2015, 08:57 PM
  4. Official off-season trade rumor and suggestion thread
    By Enscheff in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 721
    Last Post: 02-28-2015, 08:57 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •