Let's Talk About Media

[The Chosen One]

You always bring it back to Fox. The bias in the media is basically Fox vs everyone else. Are you mad that Fox has the audacity to think differently? If you don’t like fox don’t watch it.

Guess you didnt read about Sinclair forcing their anchors across the country to bash the media. Forcing.

[Jaw]

Sinclair owns a lot of the local fox networks. Sinclair is code for Fox.

Don't they own a ton of talk radio stations too?

[thethe]

Guess you didnt read about Sinclair forcing their anchors across the country to bash the media. Forcing.

Media deserves every second of it. They've destroyed the institution the past decade.

[sturg33]

Guess you didnt read about Sinclair forcing their anchors across the country to bash the media. Forcing.

So you're saying the media is not trust worthy?

I agree

[Jaw]

We really don't need to debate whether or not the media is biased. They answered that question themselves after the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/a...a-recover.html

PONIEWOZIK The press covered Hillary Clinton like the next president of the United States. The press covered Donald Trump like a future trivia question (and a ratings cash cow). From the get-go, too much coverage of the race has been informed by a belief, overt or unconscious, that Mr. Trump couldn’t win. Last fall, the political press, like their sources, dismissed the polls and stuck to the belief that people would never actually pull the lever for that man. The mind-set stuck well into the primaries — even data-minded Nate Silver succumbed to the siren call of punditry.
RUTENBERG I was struck by how many times I saw prominent journalists say, “Gee, I don’t know anybody who would vote for Mr. Trump, I’m going to have to work on that,” or some such. Take it from me — having friends who supported Mr. Trump from early on didn’t mean you were going to expect him to win the Republican nomination. But there was without question a big disconnect between mainstream reporters and Trump supporters (and a segment of Bernie Sanders supporters, too, for that matter).


https://www.poynter.org/news/how-med...ext-journalism

Brian Stelter, host of CNN's "Reliable Sources": But the journalistic failure wasn't solely the fault of misplaced confidence in polls. That was a big piece of it, but I see several other factors. Groupthink. Acela corridor bias, which is a specific subset of liberal media bias. Some wishful thinking. A failure of imagination. This was a rural roar, and journalists on the coasts had a hard time hearing it.

Margaret Sullivan, media columnist for The Washington Post: Finally, for many well-educated, socially liberal, city-dwelling journalists, the idea of the intemperate Trump as a president — given his racist, xenophobic, and sexist utterances, and trail of bad behavior — was unthinkable. Literally unthinkable. So we engaged in our very own year of magical thinking. It couldn’t happen, therefore it wouldn’t happen. Until it did.

Ju-Don Marshall Roberts, senior adviser at LifePosts, former managing editor at The Washington Post: And even though we wave the banner of objectivity as one of our greatest values, we have to acknowledge that we bring our own sense of right and wrong to our work. In circumstances in which people in our communities espouse views or values that run counter to our own, we have to try harder to understand what's underneath the rhetoric and even vitriol instead of dismissing it.

Andy Alexander, visiting professional at Ohio University’s E.W. Scripps School of Journalism, former Washington Post ombudsman: To some extent, it’s because the political press and many of its sources have continued to operate in an echo chamber where faulty assumptions can be reinforced and amplified. We can also blame an excessive reliance on polls that told who was ahead or behind, but didn’t adequately interpret why. And we can assume that the increased clustering of journalists on the coasts has meant that the press is not sufficiently attuned to what’s happening in the interior.

Joel Christopher, vice president of news for USA Today Network-Wisconsin: And if we're introspective and honest, we have to admit that we as journalists probably weren't associating with enough voters across the spectrum.

Jeff Jarvis, director of the Tow-Knight Center for Entrepreneurial Journalism: The news industry is stuck in its mass-media worldview, trying to create one product for all. Its worldview is limited by its creators' lack of diversity — ethnic, economic, geographic, political (and let's finally admit that most media and journalists are liberal).

Ken Doctor, media analyst: Is “media” really clueless about what’s happening west of the Hudson and outside the Beltway? Of course, that’s always true to a degree, and those of us who worked as editors in “flyover” America, as I did long ago in the Twin Cities can attest to it.

Lori Bergen, founding dean of the college of media, communication and information at the University of Colorado: News organizations are made up of elite, educated and employed professionals, located primarily in urban settings. Many have down-sized (so much) that covering what’s happening in rural and Rust Belt America is neither a priority or a possibility. Citizens who can’t count on government, business, media, science or education aren’t about to trust a pollster or a journalist with the truth of their frustration. Elites who ignored the plight of a suffering middle class couldn’t possibly believe in the legitimacy of a candidate they perceived to be a demagogue.



https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/20...around-n679356

The media made the same mistake as the 16 other GOP presidential candidates when Trump rode down the escalator in June 2015 by focusing too much on Trump himself and too little on the Trump supporter. And no entity collectively deserves more criticism on this front than we in the media. Journalists who got it first were the ones who don’t inhabit the Northeast Washington-New York City corridor.

Reporters outside the bubble who spent time with friends and family in the part of America that's been left behind, had a leg up in getting the Trump phenomenon. Bottom line: there was never enough early reporting about what was happening on the ground.

Trump is an intoxicating figure and his magnetism may have clouded the judgment of some, but he was a vehicle for actual frustration in parts of the country that was hit harder by the Great Recession and has taken longer to recover.

I was lucky to find myself in Iowa in the summer of 2015 when a Trump supporter said a version of the following to me: "I know who a Trump is, that he can be full of B.S. But he's my middle finger to you and all of Washington."

He meant no personal disrespect, he was trying to say "maybe if I support Donald F-Ing Trump, you'll listen." We in the media never really did and remaining deaf to those sentiments will only continue to fuel the anti-establishment anger and cost even more members of the media to lose credibility and eyeballs.



I am sure that after so much self reflection, they've done something to correct the problem, right? Right?

[57Brave]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0f7a689cd7c56

[goldfly]

[The Chosen One]

Not sure if it's funny. Or sad.

[sturg33]

That is pathetic. A big reason I don't watch them

[Jaw]

It's like if CNN were inverted.

[sturg33]

It's like if CNN were inverted.

Of course. It always cracks me up when the lefties point out hypocrisy.

[thethe]

Got to love the media

[Jaw]

Got to love the media

From zero to two! The percentage increase is so large it is literally incalculable!

[sturg33]

Ah the things the media chooses to make up and then take issue with.

Here is what the media reported:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...technique.html
Trump just started his 12-day trip in Asia, which promises to be a difficult operation — and not just because one of the primary topics of discussion is North Korea’s nuclear ambitions. There are all sorts of protocol that foreign leaders are expected to adhere to when visiting the region. Some examples, from the AP:

When in Asia, make sure handshakes aren’t too long — or short. Don’t bobble names or titles. Stifle the critical tweets. Don’t question the food.
Also, don’t overfeed the fish.

Trump became the latest U.S. president to display poor etiquette in Japan on Monday, when feeding the koi carp of Akasaka Palace with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. It is traditional for world leaders to stop and view the fish, and Trump was given a bowl of fish food and invited to join Abe in delicately spooning pellets to the fish. Eventually, Trump lost patience and dumped out the rest of his bowl, making Secretary of State Rex Tillerson chuckle.

Fish lovers on Twitter were appalled, since overfeeding can make koi sick. As The Guardian notes, it’s likely a palace employee was dispatched to remedy whatever issues were caused by Trump’s indelicate feeding technique. Still, some welcomed the opportunity to take a break from the horrifying news in recent days and indulge in fish puns and Trump jokes.

You may ask yourself, how has it come to this? How have we elected such an insensitive President who could do such an awful thing? Why would he think this is a good idea?

And, then, maybe, you might find out what really happened, by skipping to about the :55 second mark of this video:

Saw this again this morning on Facebook and was reminded.

How is anyone OK with this?

[Jaw]

Saw this again this morning on Facebook and was reminded.

How is anyone OK with this?

Well, the people getting their news only from biased outlets don't see the reporting on how biased their outlet is, so they have no need to decide to be okay with it. It's much easier that way.

[Runnin]

Excellent article by Brother Douthat.

Trump Hacked the Media Right Before Our Eyes

[AerchAngel]

Now I understand 57 and his echo chamber posts that is spoon fed to him. If they keep repeating it, though wrong, he believes it is gospel.

"Andy Alexander, visiting professional at Ohio University’s E.W. Scripps School of Journalism, former Washington Post ombudsman: To some extent, it’s because the political press and many of its sources have continued to operate in an echo chamber where faulty assumptions can be reinforced and amplified. We can also blame an excessive reliance on polls that told who was ahead or behind, but didn’t adequately interpret why. And we can assume that the increased clustering of journalists on the coasts has meant that the press is not sufficiently attuned to what’s happening in the interior."

[Jaw]

Ben Shapiro is what he is, but he made a decent point regarding how campaigns' use of data and Facebook is reported.

When used for Obama - Obama, Facebook and the power of friendship: the 2012 data election
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ebook-election

When used for Trump - The evil genius of Cambridge Analytica was to exploit those we trust most
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...xploited-trust

Those were both from The Guardian.

Here is one from Time: Friended: How the Obama Campaign Connected with Young Voters
http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/20...-young-voters/

And from NYT: How Trump Consultants Exploited the Facebook Data of Millions
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/u...-campaign.html

[Jaw]

[thethe]

It goes further to this whole congratugate. When Obama did it it was fine but now trump is evil.