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[zitothebrave]

Klinsmann announced 23 man for Peru friendly, some names were left off because of MLS clubs wanting to hold their players

GK - Guzan, Howard, Yarbrough
DF - Alvarado, Besler, Brooks, Cameron, Garza, Gonzalez, Orosco, Ream
MF - Bedoya, Corona, Mix, Jones, Morales, Williams, Yedlin
FW - Jozy, Johannsson, Wood, Wooten, Zardes

Could ve really close to the final roster for the Mexico match. I would guess Wooten, Corona/Morales, etc. GK I think is the same. Fabian Johnson is out for injury, Will he be back? I hope so. ALso no Chandler is cause of injury as well. Same with no Beasley. I'm guessing they'll look at other guys for depth. Beasley and Johnson are likely back for Mexico but Chandler probably won't be. In the MF Bradley was held by Toronto, I'm guessing he replaces one of Corona or Morales. I assume it will be Morales as Jones and Williams are also defensive minded. Same thing with strikers, I assume Wooten down Dempsey up.

I'm assuming a 4-4-2 gonna just guess, Klinsmann does things of couse that are random

GK - Guzan
RB - Cameron
CB - Brooks
CB - Gonzo/Besler
LB - Garza
CDM - Jones
RM - Yedlin
LM - Bedoya
CAM - Mix
ST - Jozy
ST - Johannsson

[zitothebrave]

Wolfsburg in a firesale for no real reason, Perisic and DeBruyne out today. Took in about 100M USD and only have a few days to buy. Julian Draxler will be coming in I presume, but there's still other issues.

[zitothebrave]

Also just to discuss teams where they are this transfer

Arsenal - Brought in Cech for 10M Euros, going out had Podolski for 1.8M but that could become 10. Others are loaned or free.

Chelsea - Brought in Pedro for 21.1, Begovich for 8M, Rahman for 17.7, and some smaller moves. They sold Cech for 10 and Romeu for 5 and other undisclosed sales including Felipe Luis, Kakuta, and McEachern

Liverpool - brought in Benteke for 32.5M, Firmino for 29, Clyne for 12.5 and Gomez and Allan for a combined 4, Sold Sterling for 49, and a few smaller moves

Man City - Bought Sterling for 49, Otamendi for 33, Roberts for 12, Delph for 8, sold Negredo for 21.3 and some small moves

Man United - Brought in Depay for 27.9 schneiderlein for 25, Darmian for 12.7 Schweinsteiger for 6.5 Sold Di Maria for 44.3 Nani and RVP for about 8.5 and Rumored De Gea for 29. Which would make Man U the only big club with a transfer where they made money.

Tottensuck - In Min Son for 18, N'Jie for 12 alderweireld for 11.5, Out Soldado for 10 Paulinho for 9.8 Stambouli for 6, Capoue for 6, and Holtby for 4.55.

Soldado, Paulinho and Capoue were all Bale money signings. Soldado and Paulinho for much less than they were bought for, even Capoue was moved for a loss though smaller.

[gilesfan]

Wolfsburg in a firesale for no real reason, Perisic and DeBruyne out today. Took in about 100M USD and only have a few days to buy. Julian Draxler will be coming in I presume, but there's still other issues.

DeBruyne for way more than he's worth is plenty of reason

[zitothebrave]

DeBruyne for way more than he's worth is plenty of reason

I meant more Perisic. When De Bruyne left, they should have held onto their other winger. Now they have to replace both of them.

BTW, WOlfsburg made a fortune off him, 38M pound profit after only 1 and a half seasons, lol Chelsea.

[zitothebrave]

Brad Guzan really is gonna make things hard for the US to pick a number 1. Howard did it to Friedel, Friedel did it to Keller, it's bound to happen, but it's really gonna be hard. Especially after Howard's WC heroics. Guzan has to be near perfect to keep the haters down.

On reddit today someone said Howard saves that crazy defected shot. Guy doesn't realize only goalie who makes that play is one who was severely out of position.

[zitothebrave]

Man U extends De Gea, so no free transfer for Real. **** Real.

[zitothebrave]

So after 5 weeks, the table is cluttered.

Man City are running away right now, 5 wins in 5 games, Scored 11 goals, conceded none. THeir inevitable collapse is gonna be so funny.

Arsenal and Man U are hanging in there despite rough starts. ANd most importantly, Chelsea has 4 points through 5 games. SPecial One may be fired before this season is over.

[zitothebrave]

USA has released a very large 35 man provisional roster for the Mexico match.

GK - Guzan, Howard, Hamid, Rimando
DF - ALvarado, Beasley, Besler, BRooks, Cameron, Evans, Garza, Gonzalez, Orozco, Ream, Spector, Yedlin
MF - Beckerman, Bedoya, BRadley, Corona, DIskerud, Johnson,Jones, MOrales, Nguyen, Williams, Zardes, Zusi
FW - Jozy, Clint, Gordon, Johansson, Morris, Wondo, and WOod

No real shocks IMO, except for maybe leaving Shea off, and the position swap for Johnson and Yedlin, not that that will likely mean anything. Yedlin and Johnson can easily swap.

I don't know how they'll do it, but just a guess

GK - Guzan
RB - Fabian
CB - Cameron
CB - Brooks
LB - Ream/Beasley
RM - Yedlin
CDM - Jones
CAM - Bradley
LM - Zardes
ST - Jozy
ST - Clint.

[zitothebrave]

Andy Herzog's 20 man roster is really solid

GK - Horton, Horvath, Steffan
DF - Carter-Vickers, Miazga, Miller, Packwood, Serna
MF - Alashe, Ariyibi, Gil, Hyndman, Pelosi, Polster, Trapp, Zelalem
FW - Hernandez, Kiesewetter, Morris, Tall.

[The Chosen One]

Mourinho is done.

[The Chosen One]

Brendan Rodgers sacked.

[zitothebrave]

Jordan Morris and Jerome Kiesewetter make me sweat.

[gilesfan]

Damn, I love Klopp. Going to be interesting to see him in the PL>

[zitothebrave]

Damn, I love Klopp. Going to be interesting to see him in the PL>

The issue with Klopp in the PL is that there are 4 Bayern level or near Bayern level teams to compete with. The advantage he'll have is way more money than he had in Dortmund though. The disadvantage is there's a lot of wasted money currently on Liverpool's existing player pool he'll probably have to clear out. Liverpool is still reeling from the Balotelli fiasco.

[zitothebrave]

So pumped. **** Mexico. **** Rafa Marquez.

[holden]

That sucked.

[MrShwag]

Extremely disappointing display showing little progress in game management. Usmnt was chasing the ball all night. I'm tired of "heart" and "character". I want to see skilled, clinical possession. Losing faith in the domestic game. Geoff Cameron, Brad Guzan and Michael Bradley the exception.

I mean, we don't have anyone better to throw out there than 47 year old Demarcus Beasley?

Bah.

[zitothebrave]

Extremely disappointing display showing little progress in game management. Usmnt was chasing the ball all night. I'm tired of "heart" and "character". I want to see skilled, clinical possession. Losing faith in the domestic game. Geoff Cameron, Brad Guzan and Michael Bradley the exception.

I mean, we don't have anyone better to throw out there than 47 year old Demarcus Beasley?

Bah.

It was a dickpunch of a loss.

ANd sadly aside from the massively inconsistent Brek Shea, or the horribly out of position Tim Ream, no we don't when Chandler is out. THe only option would have been to put Cameron out wide right and Johnson to left back, but considering how beastly Cameron was yesterday (to me the Man of the Match for either side)

What really hurt was Beckerman and Beasley. Beckerman came on stronger later in the game. But he was totally terrible to start the game and basically entirely responsible for the first goal as he didn't track Chicharito or Aguilar (or whoever it was that had the assist) which left Guzan and Johnson on an island.

But Beasley hurt a lot. He was involved being out of position on basically every goal or leadup to every goal. Most notable being the last where if he didn't **** that one up he would have been in a position to block that shot.

Also shocked Dempsey really did nothing.

To me the headscratchers were Klinsmann's subs.

Yedlin for Gyasi didn't make sense when Jones looked gassed. Now in the end I'll chalk this up as a win for Klinsmann because Jones found a second wind and was fine, and was instrumental in many of our best attacking plays at the end of the game.

Wood for Jozy, I know Clint is a legend, but even legends have off days and for basically all of yesterday, he had an offday. HIs touches were bad, passes were bad, and many other **** ups. He was important on some plays, but overall he didn't provide coverage (I felt like I saw Jozy stepping into the pocket infront of the MF more than Dempsey) and he didn't provide too much of an attackign threat. Bradley looked to be our most dangerous going forward for most of the game. Unfortunately he forgot his shooting boots.

Evans for Johnson. I'm gonna assume this was done for PK reasons, or maybe Johnson was really winded (he was just hurt) but I would have pulled Beasley, he was bad all day. He had some good attacking spells but he looked lost defensively and Mexico generated most of their dangerous crossing plays from the right.

Overall I think Klinsmann had a sound strategy going into the game, but the execution by the players sucked and I don't think he adapted well enough. Beckerman needed to be better in that game. Wither 3 forward players, the defensive mid has to be better, because of his struggles Bradley was basically pulled back as were Jones and Gyasi and instead of a 4-4-2 diamond ran basically 2 waves of 4 defending.

On an unrelated note. I had a bad feeling about the match, because Mexico seemed to have a horseshoe up their ass. Every deflection and bounce went in their favor. They'd jump in the way of a clearance or tackle or get tackled and the ball always went right ot a mexican player. It was insane.

What sucks overall abotu the match was that it was Mexico. if we lost this match to another team it would be rough, but now we have to deal with 4 more years of Mexican fan arrogance.I thought we were getting away from that with us having to bail them out of WC qualifying, but sadly this year undid most of that.

Really have to give Mexico credit, they played a great game. They took everything we threw at them and got the goals they needed to.

The dumb things that people will harp on unfortunately

Klinsmann - I'm sure the fire Klinsmann crowd who were annoying before will be even more annoying now. Even if Klinsmann has clearly been the best US manager since at least Bruce Arena (though in reality, Arena had the golden generation of US Soccer players, he sucked as a manager) they will **** talk him every step of the way and any screwup he makes will be more fodder. THis will add more even though Klinsmann basically did what everyone asked for him to do, which was play it safe.

Bradley - People will harp on Bradley for his scuffed shots. What they won't realize is that us needing to use Bradley in that way is a bad sign. Dempsey had pretty much no scoring chances. Jozy was held (largely because he didn't ever seemingly get a chance with the ball in the 18), the wide mids provided basically nothing on the attack. Bradley was the lone threat.

THings hopefully people will remember.

Cameron is a stud and Stoke ****ed us by not letting him play in the Gold Cup. Watching him play yesterday, that was what we missed the most. You can point at offense. But if we had Cameron and Brooks instead of Brooks and Alvarado, we win that whole thing. We're better than Mexico if we have Chandler and Johnson at full health like they were in the Summer and Dempsey in that form.

US Should have done things differently, IMO.

Should have had a MF with Bradley paired with Williams in the middle, and Zusi and Zardes out wide. Then bring Yedlin in for Zardes or Zusi and Jones in for Williams.

US had a lot of opportunities for improvement after this, I think first thing on Klinsmann's list for Russia is sorting out the midfield. I think overall we have a generally clear picture of defense. Have some strong players, some promising kids, and overall some talent. Up top you have a lot of talent. It's figuring out how many strikers, and how to play th emidfield. I don't envy that task. He has only one easy call for Russia, Bradley is there and he's not a CDM.

I'm hoping what we see is more a 4-3-3, with Bradley, Mix/Hyndman/Bedoya/etc. as mids, then up top you have your striker and 2 wingers. I see a lot of guys who could be effective wingers for various reasons, Zardes, Green, Gyau, and so many other guys who aren't true strikers or really traditional mids who could find a lot of success in the wings. I'd add Morris to that as well, he's a striker, but I could see him having great success on the left wing.

Still a lot to be excited about for the future. Even with yesterday being truly a catastrophic day for USMNT.

[The Chosen One]

Chelsea lol.

Mourinho ejected during halftime for trying to enter referee's room.

Down 2-1 to West Ham.