Affordable Care Act

[57Brave]

Is there a plan on the table that meets your goal ?

If so -- please tell us

If not -- why not ?

[Hawk]

I guess that all depends on who we choose to elect in 2016, doesn't it?

Free birth control (that is still being paid for) is simply not progress, it's manipulation.

[57Brave]

So there is no alternative plan and you have no earthly idea why there is no alternative plan.
Is that correct ?

Free birth control ? Re reading the quote from Ms Richards it said "saved "

[Hawk]

SFree birth control ? Re reading the quote from Ms Richards it said "saved "

Birth control is free under Obamacare. And that's great, because it should be.

My gripe is that the Pharmaceutical and Insurance industries are still being propped up by the taxpayers via this particular methodology.

Just because there isn't a 'plan on the table' doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for what's ultimately best.

[57Brave]

"Just because there isn't a 'plan on the table' doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for what's ultimately best."

that being the case we can take for granted you are all in Sen Sanders for President

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...ic-drug-prices

http://boingboing.net/2011/05/27/ber...ers-intro.html
http://readersupportednews.org/news-...ng-drug-prices

[Hawk]

Hey, I'd move to Vermont if it were a country and Sanders were President.

[57Brave]

Vermont learned the couldn't "give" (afford) cradled to grave HC.

What do you (or anyone ) know about that
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Where I live we have a few weeks of winter -- Vermont -- I don't now :)

[57Brave]

GOP senator: ‘Stop celebrating’ good Obamacare news


By Steve Benen
For those hoping to see the Affordable Care Act succeed, recent developments have been amazing. “Obamacare” is working better than expected on practically every front, from increased enrollments to lower costs, from expanded coverage to increased competition. Even the most knee-jerk, far-right ideologue has very little to complain about.

But that won’t stop them from trying.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R), for example, called the ACA a “monstrosity” the other day, insisting, “[T]he greatest job suppressor in the so-called recovery that we’ve gone through is Obamacare.”

In reality, there is literally no evidence to suggest the reform law is suppressing job growth. On the contrary, 2014 was the first full year for ACA implementation and it was the best year for U.S. job creation since the 1990s. Or put another way, after “Obamacare” took effect, America created more jobs than any year in which Bush’s brother or father was president.

But Jeb’s argument was almost coherent compared to Sen. John Barrasso’s (R-Wyo.) latest ACA criticisms.

Barrasso, the 4th ranking Senate Republican, mocked the Obama administration for holding an event at the White House this week to cheer new healthcare enrollment figures at a time when the law remains mostly unpopular nationally.

“It’s time for the White House to stop celebrating and start thinking about the people,” Barrasso said on the Senate floor on Wednesday.

I generally find Barrasso’s health care arguments odd, but if The Hill quoted him properly, this latest offensive is genuinely bizarre. When the White House “celebrates” millions of Americans gaining access to affordable medical care, they are, in reality, “thinking about the people.” That’s the point. They’re cheering good news for actual people.

The far-right senator reportedly added, “The Obama administration and every Democrat who voted for it should be embarrassed for it.”

Embarrassed by success?

Barrasso’s rhetoric on the ACA has been strange for quite a while. After learning about lower premiums, the Wyoming Republican complained about the ACA increasing premiums. After learning about great enrollment totals, Barrasso, without proof, accused the administration of fraud.

But what’s striking about this latest broadside is Barrasso’s reluctance to deal with the facts as they exist. Instead of refuting the ACA’s recent successes, the Senate Republican leader simply ignores them, as if the good news didn’t happen at all.

The Hill’s report concluded, “Barrasso is leading the Senate’s working group to create an ObamaCare alternative.”

I can’t wait to see it, though I have a strong hunch the alternative will remain imaginary.

[57Brave]

I have to wonder how the people people that got this policy so wrong stay so stubbornly following the same people and talking points. Without a hint of reflection on how they got this topic ----- so wrong. Then not questioning "what else have I got wrong?"
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" As the health care reform law marks its fifth anniversary, federal officials are touting its cost saving provisions that have had a positive effect on hospitals’ bottom lines. "

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015...pital-savings/

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Funny how Obama's enemies attached his name to this. Affordable health insurance will forever be known as Obamacare.

And, the political genius of Obama to embrace it.

Shoot they even got that wrong

[57Brave]

Obama’s claim the Affordable Care Act was a ‘major reason’ in preventing 50,000 patient deaths

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...atient-deaths/


The Affordable Care Act is “a major reason why we’ve seen 50,000 fewer preventable patient deaths in hospitals.”

– President Obama, remarks on the fifth anniversary of the Affordable Care Act, March 25, 2015
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That might be a 79% improvement !! Along those lines I would think an American would be proud to have contributed to this national accomplishment. Rather than bemoan the fact one had to be a part of the whole

[57Brave]

There's A Huge Reality Gap On Obamacare, And This New Poll Proves It

" Every major study -- including official estimates by the federal government and analyses by independent researchers -- has shown that the number of people with health insurance has risen substantially since the Affordable Care Act took full effect. While experts disagree over the precise magnitude of the increase, they don’t question its existence -- except at highly partisan, right-wing think tanks and on a certain cable television network. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7153216.html

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and this comment:

Ben Williamson · Top Commenter
To them, beliefs ARE facts. That has always been the fundamental problem with the conservative movement.

[sturg33]

There's A Huge Reality Gap On Obamacare, And This New Poll Proves It

" Every major study -- including official estimates by the federal government and analyses by independent researchers -- has shown that the number of people with health insurance has risen substantially since the Affordable Care Act took full effect. While experts disagree over the precise magnitude of the increase, they don’t question its existence -- except at highly partisan, right-wing think tanks and on a certain cable television network. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7153216.html

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and this comment:

Ben Williamson · Top Commenter
To them, beliefs ARE facts. That has always been the fundamental problem with the conservative movement.

So the the government forces everyone to get health insurance or face legal penalty, and then they tout that more people have insurance?

... ok?

[zitothebrave]

So the the government forces everyone to get health insurance or face legal penalty, and then they tout that more people have insurance?

... ok?

Obamacare is just a sham. It's as bad if not worse than the previous system. With healthcare you have it one of 2 ways. Universal or none. The haves and have nots and forcing everyone to have are just dumb. Essentially Obamacare is a tax on the young to accommodate the rising healthcare costs of the baby boomers who're all coming to an age where health costs are high, and they still want to retire at 65, not work until they're dead, like the idea of retirement basically was.

[57Brave]

Government forces everyone to stop when the light turns red then touts there are less auto accidents

Would you think that people with health insurance would be healthier people?
Do you think healthier people contribute to a healthier society?

Data I am waiting to see is the numbers on workwide sick days since the inception of ACA

Would you think those numbers would lead to a more productive society?

Government forces children to attend school then touts how the literacy rates have risen?
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Your logic is tortured. Or very very narrow - can't decide which

[57Brave]

Obamacare is just a sham. It's as bad if not worse than the previous system. With healthcare you have it one of 2 ways. Universal or none. The haves and have nots and forcing everyone to have are just dumb. Essentially Obamacare is a tax on the young to accommodate the rising healthcare costs of the baby boomers who're all coming to an age where health costs are high, and they still want to retire at 65, not work until they're dead, like the idea of retirement basically was.

The study looked at the impact of the Partnership for Patients, a $460 million program funded by the health law that ties together 3,800 hospitals in 27 “health engagement” networks, with the goal of reducing 10 categories of “patient harms,” such as adverse drug events, pressure ulcers and catheter-associated urinary tract infections. The networks collaborate to identify possible solutions to common problems and then circulate those ideas among the various hospitals, with the goal of reducing preventable hospital-acquired conditions (HACs) by 40 percent and 30-day hospital readmissions by 20 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...atient-deaths/
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Look beyond the shiny thing

[zitothebrave]

hmmm 460 million. That sounds like a good amount of money that could have been spent towards universal healthcare or given back to the consumer.

[57Brave]

Agreed.

Unfortunatly that wasn't going to politically happen in 2010.
But these baby step gains are a start . Pre 2010 there were no gains baby step or otherwise

[sturg33]

Government forces everyone to stop when the light turns red then touts there are less auto accidents

LOL.

What's the point in even discussing with you.

[57Brave]

I could give you 79 reasons !

[sturg33]

I could give you 79 reasons !

You'll have to up that number now. Was raised another 20% in 2015