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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Pre existing coverage wasn't here before 2012 and we somehow managed to survive.

    Now our costs skyrocket because we have to cover it.

    But it makes no sense. I couldn't get fire insurance after my caught on fire. I couldn't get flood insurance after my house was flooded. I couldn't get car insurance after my car was crashed.


    This isnt hard. Try thinking rationally rather than emotionally
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post

    I'm also not sure why wanting to see illness managed earlier, while it's cheaper, or even preventable, is cast as the irrational argument here.
    I don't believe I've ever said that.

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    let's have it on this too -- so we are all on the same page


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    see, there is depression / Bi Polar. reasons cited for not regulating firearms / weapons

    Menstrual irregularities
    Really ?
    Last edited by 57Brave; 06-10-2018 at 09:25 AM.
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    So I'll go my whole life without paying for insurance... And then I get sick I'll demand the tax payers to subsidize my insurance.

    Personal responsibility is all I advocate for. I know y'all shutter at the thought

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    No, you will be a good citizen by paying your part so when after a long life when you do get sick (and you will) your care will be insured.
    And my grandchildren wont have to pay excessive insurance because of bloated ER costs by being burdened by your 3 AM dorm room economics

    I think it is called "pay forward"
    Pretty rational concept..

    not all that revolutionary either
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    I have insurance. Thanks.

    Meanwhile, you say pay forward as we have stolen $22t from future children - which you support

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    I take it that $22T is the debt
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    I'm as free market as the next guy, and Obamacare is probably going to fail, but I think pre-existing conditions should be covered by the government, just like people who have disabilities are covered.

    1/3 of the population have a pre-existing condition. Have the government pay for that particular treatment or service, and let them purchase health insurance for the rest. You obviously don't want the government paying for colds or poor lifestyle choices and the like- we'd go bankrupt. But this is a grand compromise that any rich society would/should make.

    Inject a little nuance into the debate and you'll find good solutions.

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    Almost 60 percent of Maine voters endorsed the expansion, making the first time that a state had approved the ACA’s Medicaid expansion through a ballot initiative.

    https://thinkprogress.org/maines-new...-814ff0af886d/
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    Interesting Twitter conversation:

    https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1091237238837526529
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    Jon Cooper
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    Great news! Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, the number of people

    living in the U.S. without health insurance coverage hit an

    ALL-TIME LOW of 8 percent this year.
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    Yes bc the affordable care act made it a crime not to have it.

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    https://marginalrevolution.com/margi...insurance.html

    This is one of the big underreported stories these days, namely that single payer systems are working far less well than they used to, including during the pandemic but not only. Eventually the blame will shift and will be put on something like “austerity,” whereas the deeper understanding was that those systems were bound to end up understaffed and undercapitalized all along. In any case, here is the latest from Sweden, circa summer 2022:

    In 2000, around 100,000 Swedes had private health insurance. Today, there are seven times as many, in a country of 10 million people. In 60% of cases, the insurance is paid for by the employer. According to the Swedish insurers’ organization Svensk Försäkring, the rate can vary from 300 to 600 crowns on average per month. For those dealing with health problems, the advantages are quicker consultations and avoiding long waiting lines.

    And that is from Le Monde, not the Heritage Foundation. The Canadian, British, and New Zealand systems are all in crisis too. But that narrative is not exactly tailor-made for today’s media environment…

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/transpa...nion_lead_pos9

    What happens when you combine partisan politics with an unaccountable regulatory regime? You get the White House’s decision Tuesday to extend ObamaCare subsidies beyond what is legally permitted by tax law. The Biden administration’s new rule to remove what’s been cleverly framed as the “family glitch” is a political play that should worry anyone concerned with regulatory transparency in Washington.

    As I’ve written in these pages, the White House has long sought to expand coverage on ObamaCare exchanges in this way. But the law is clear; it made subsidies for exchange plans available if the employee had to pay more than about 10% of income for a self-only plan. Basing subsidy eligibility on the cost of self-only coverage meant that families that had to pay more than 10% of income for a family plan lost out on the subsidy. This created the so-called family glitch—even though the vast majority of families in these situations were insured on an employer plan.

    Not only does this rule lack statutory basis, it comes with a high price tag. According to the Congressional Budget Office, it is expected to cost $45 billion over the next decade as it pushes people off their employer plans to obtain heavily subsidized exchange plans. Few currently uninsured people will get coverage.



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    Acyn
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    Obama:

    Ten years later, not a single person has faced

    a death panel from Obamacare. On the other hand,

    35 million people now have health care because of

    the affordable care act
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    This is government run Healthcare


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