First data for Freeman's defense at 3b

[chop2chip]

This is precisely why the "eye test" is such a terrible way to judge defenders. Hell, we just had a poster in this very thread say, "I haven't seen him get any plays", and then proceed to question these defensive numbers. He was using the eye test...yet hasn't even SEEN any of the plays in question.

I mean, sure, that's one way of interpreting what I said. It's wrong, but god bless you anyways.

Please enjoy the rest of your afternoon yelling at the clouds.

[Southcack77]

I've got quite a bit of bias into my "eye test" observations, but to me he looks slow and awkward at 3B. He has made some routine plays, but I thought he looked less than fluid in doing it.

The Astros game with the doubles --- I think some most 3B would have had a better reaction to, though I'm not sure if they'd have made the play.

[Freshmaker]

I mean, sure, that's one way of interpreting what I said. It's wrong, but god bless you anyways.

Please enjoy the rest of your afternoon yelling at the clouds.

[Freshmaker]

what everyone seems to be ignoring is that Freeman now qualifies at 3B in fantasy and that is by far the most important thing here

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

what everyone seems to be ignoring is that Freeman now qualifies at 3B in fantasy and that is by far the most important thing here

Coppolella is making bank off his fantasy team and will reinvest it into the Braves so we can afford Mike Trout.

[smootness]

This is an extremely small sample, so it doesn't show much one way or the other, but it does support what is obvious - Freeman is going to be atrocious at 3B.

I actually think a -40 number is possible and -20 is also possible but optimistic.

[Freshmaker]

Coppolella is making bank off his fantasy team and will reinvest it into the Braves so we can afford Mike Trout.

[RazorbackBrave]

I think it was very easy to see in the first game that Freeman would not be able to be a serviceable 3B. On the double hit down the line, I thought most third basemen would have gotten. It looked like FF was guarding the line and still couldn't get there.

I'm not sure FF could play there if the Braves had an elite SS and elite LF much less with Swanson and Kemp out there. (I'm not saying Swanson is as bad as Kemp either. Just not elite.)

[Russ2dollas]

This is why I can't stand the idiotic argument folks make when they say "he catches what he gets to", as if that's all it takes to be a competent defender.

If his range is so limited he can't get to much of anything, he is a terrible defender.

This is precisely why the "eye test" is such a terrible way to judge defenders. Hell, we just had a poster in this very thread say, "I haven't seen him get any plays", and then proceed to question these defensive numbers. He was using the eye test...yet hasn't even SEEN any of the plays in question.

It is comical how bad fans are at judging defense. No wonder they have no idea how to value it. Unfortunately, the Braves FO doesn't seem to be much better.

It's the same argument for Kemp. He catches what he gets to.

Neither guy is falling down or looking lost like gattis or Adams in LF. Both are terrible unless we have some amazing data that positions them in exactly the right place.

[msstate7]

So far has the run production of having Adams and FF out there exceeded the runs given up?

[nsacpi]

I think it was very easy to see in the first game that Freeman would not be able to be a serviceable 3B. On the double hit down the line, I thought most third basemen would have gotten. It looked like FF was guarding the line and still couldn't get there.

I'm not sure FF could play there if the Braves had an elite SS and elite LF much less with Swanson and Kemp out there. (I'm not saying Swanson is as bad as Kemp either. Just not elite.)

He reacted very slowly to that double. I think Camargo would knock it down and keep the ball in the infield.

[cajunrevenge]

3b could still be a nice option in the future on a limited basis. Versatility is always helpful. Not sure our manager would take advantage of it though.

[bravesfanMatt]

He reacted very slowly to that double. I think Camargo would knock it down and keep the ball in the infield.

I don't think any 3B could get that one. It was hit very hard and landed a few feet fowl after crossing over the bag. FF might have been slow to react, but I don't think JO-gun gets to that one either.

[Enscheff]

I don't think any 3B could get that one. It was hit very hard and landed a few feet fowl after crossing over the bag. FF might have been slow to react, but I don't think JO-gun gets to that one either.

Which is why the "eye test" is useless and has been replaced with defensive metrics.

[Knucksie]

So far has the run production of having Adams and FF out there exceeded the runs given up?

That's a really good question. The exercise is short term anyway, just to showcase Adams.

[gilesfan]

Obviously, he's going to be terrible at 3B. We all know that. To what degree is the question. But, using this limited of a data set is pretty dumb.

[clvclv]

Can't see the genius' posts, but I'm guessing sample size only makes a difference when it fits your point, right???

We all know he's not a 3B, this makes you "smart"??? Might oughta get back to dealing cards.

[bravesfanMatt]

Which is why the "eye test" is useless and has been replaced with defensive metrics.

Do they have individual plays marked yet? I wasn't saying my eyes are better than metric. We were just debating a particular play. I would be interested to see if that one play was marked as a 3 star or 5 star attempt.

[Enscheff]

Can't see the genius' posts, but I'm guessing sample size only makes a difference when it fits your point, right???

We all know he's not a 3B, this makes you "smart"??? Might oughta get back to dealing cards.

LOL, how's that blog coming? Have you penned any more insightful articles about the Braves going with a 24 man roster, or them already trading Garcia? How about some more trade scenarios where the Braves get an Ace for 3-4 spare parts? Maybe you can explain to us again how Wilser and Folty are equivalent pitchers?

It's hilarious being criticized by the dumbest poster on these boards haha!

[Freshmaker]

Which is why the "eye test" is useless and has been replaced with defensive metrics.

Which shows us that you obviously didn't see the play. There's not a 3B in baseball that gets a glove on that ball unless they're standing on the line.