First data for Freeman's defense at 3b

[Enscheff]

Which shows us that you obviously didn't see the play. There's not a 3B in baseball that gets a glove on that ball unless they're standing on the line.

Ok bud. I'm sure your eye test honed by years of watching baseball from your couch makes you a better judge of defensive value than these metrics. You're right and both FG and BRef are wrong.

I wonder, why don't you have your own popular baseball analysis website since you're so insightful?

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Which shows us that you obviously didn't see the play. There's not a 3B in baseball that gets a glove on that ball unless they're standing on the line.

Ultimately, defensive metrics rely on people to judge whether that one play was extremely difficult or not anyway. Aka the stats aren't 100% set in stone yet, but he's bad like everyone knows. Now it's time to wait to see if he is totally unplayable.

[Enscheff]

Ultimately, defensive metrics rely on people to judge whether that one play was extremely difficult or not anyway. Aka the stats aren't 100% set in stone yet, but he's bad like everyone knows. Now it's time to wait to see if he is totally unplayable.

What I find most amusing is all the derptards commenting as if I didn't expressly state in the OP that this data is based off an extremely limited sample.

[JohnAdcox]

Which is why the "eye test" is useless and has been supplemented/enhanced with defensive metrics.

Fixed your typo.

[clvclv]

He reacted very slowly to that double. I think Camargo would knock it down and keep the ball in the infield.

Just because the hullaballaloo is about the metrics, can you back up that claim? Or was that the eye-test?




(Sorry, just had to. LOL.)

[Enscheff]

Just because the hullaballaloo is about the metrics, can you back up that claim? Or was that the eye-test?




(Sorry, just had to. LOL.)

As usual, a completely useless response.

Considering Camargo has been +16 UZR/150 and +13 DRS/yr so far at 3B, I think it's safe to assume he would have made a couple plays Freeman didn't.

Which plays exactly is completely irrelevant.

[chop2chip]

Freddie is at +2 DRS through 66 innings at 3B so far.

Extrapolated over a full season that comes out to +42 DRS.

Chipper with the bat and Brooks Robinson with the glove.

[bravesfanMatt]

Freddie is at +2 DRS through 66 innings at 3B so far.

Extrapolated over a full season that comes out to +42 DRS.

Chipper with the bat and Brooks Robinson with the glove.

He has looked good.

[thethe]

Freddie is at +2 DRS through 66 innings at 3B so far.

Extrapolated over a full season that comes out to +42 DRS.

Chipper with the bat and Brooks Robinson with the glove.

This is full of LOLZ.

It was clear that one error (a 1 star play messed up) threw the figures away. But I suppose its more fun to use fangraphs stats without actually any further comprehension of said stats.

[msstate7]

Freddie is at +2 DRS through 66 innings at 3B so far.

Extrapolated over a full season that comes out to +42 DRS.

Chipper with the bat and Brooks Robinson with the glove.

Now it's SSS... just forget the sample is larger ;)

[chop2chip]

Now it's SSS... just forget the sample is larger ;)

Don't get me wrong, this data means nothing.

I'm just trolling our good natured derp master.

[Orphan Black]

I think Freddie has looked fine over there.

While playing a position isn't like riding a bike, I'm sure him playing all through high school has helped the transition quite a bit.

Sure he doesn't have the quickest first step, but as long as he makes the routine plays and the one's hit at him he'll be okay.

[msstate7]

Don't get me wrong, this data means nothing.

I'm just trolling our good natured derp master.

Haha

[Garmel]

Don't get me wrong, this data means nothing.

I'm just trolling our good natured derp master.

Be prepared for the inevitable "loser leaves board" bet.

[Enscheff]

Freddie is at +2 DRS through 66 innings at 3B so far.

Extrapolated over a full season that comes out to +42 DRS.

Chipper with the bat and Brooks Robinson with the glove.

Freeman's Rtot/yr is -18 at 3B.

[sturg33]

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Let's be honest, we all knew 3B was easy when we saw Chris Johnson do it.

[mfree80]

Freeman's Rtot/yr is -18 at 3B.

I was curious so I looked up Rtot. I found an good explantion including this footnote:

Players with very little playing time can have skewed numbers though when extrapolated to a full year of play. Tigers outfielder Clete Thomas, for example, had a -39.6 in 2008 in Center Field, but that was based on just 12 games and 118 innings. It is close to impossible to be that bad over a full season and such a number isn’t accurate. Remember, it’s not the stats that lie, it’s the poor use of them.

I am not, by any means suggesting Freddie is going to be good over a larger sample size, but sounds like a bad Rtot over a SSS is not very meaningful... of course neither is DRS, or any other objective measure. Let's just agree that he is not good, but maybe not as bad as some of us thought he might be. I doubt any of us want to see this continue.

[smootness]

Almost all of his chances have been routine so far. He's done ok on those plays, but it'll be interesting to see what happens when he starts getting more balls that are outside that category. Probably not gonna look pretty.

[GovClintonTyree]

Almost all of his chances have been routine so far. He's done ok on those plays, but it'll be interesting to see what happens when he starts getting more balls that are outside that category. Probably not gonna look pretty.

He makes even the toughest plays look routine. He's freaking Brooks Robinson over there.