Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

[Runnin]

At this point we don't even need the memo. Based on everything that has been said we pretty much know what was in it. The Obama admin used a Democratically funded opposition research document to spy on an opposition candidate. And then to cover their tracks they fabricated a collusion narrative. Any American that is ok with this is a disgrace to what this country was built on.

That's not the bottom line, Mark. You left out the part about the FBI already watching the dubious character for years.

[bravesnumberone]

Everyone needs to realize Meadows is basically Nunes. I mean it's that obvious.

[Runnin]

Trump is a fool to be taunting the FBI this way. Same goes for Nunes and the others.

[thethe]

Everyone needs to realize Meadows is basically Nunes. I mean it's that obvious.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THE PERSON THEREFORE HE IS IRRELEVANT!!

[thethe]

Trump is a fool to be taunting the FBI this way.

The FBI are fools to abuse their power and think they are above the people of the United States.

[Julio3000]

At this point we don't even need the memo. Based on everything that has been said we pretty much know what was in it. The Obama admin used a Democratically funded opposition research document to spy on an opposition candidate. And then to cover their tracks they fabricated a collusion narrative. Any American that is ok with this is a disgrace to what this country was built on.

Quite literally none of that is true.

[thethe]

Quite literally none of that is true.

Keep believing it when by all accounts the Memo is going to say otherwise.

[Julio3000]

Keep believing it when by all accounts the Memo is going to say otherwise.

Simple question: is the memo going to say that the "Obama admin" spied on an "opposition candidate"?

[thethe]

Simple question: is the memo going to say that the "Obama admin" spied on an "opposition candidate"?

Reasonable inference based on the facts that have been released lead to no other outcome.

[The Chosen One]

GOP really riding the message that the dossier was paid by DNC/Clinton.

It was paid by a conservative group in the primaries who backed a different candidate and were anti Trump.

[thethe]

GOP really riding the message that the dossier was paid by DNC/Clinton.

It was paid by a conservative group in the primaries who backed a different candidate and were anti Trump.

Ok and then it was for by the Clinton campaign. You know that dirty little secret that Schiff was doing everything to keep secret? How about the expense reimbursement that was granted by the FBI? You know that other thing that the Democrats didn't want to come out.

[Julio3000]

Reasonable inference based on the facts that have been released lead to no other outcome.

So FBI counterintelligence is "the Obama admin" and Carter Page is "an opposition candidate"?

[Super]

GOP really riding the message that the dossier was paid by DNC/Clinton.

It was paid by a conservative group in the primaries who backed a different candidate and were anti Trump.

yes, everyone with a 1/4 brain knows and acknowledges this. but they can keep hammering this message and if you're someone who only gets their news from fox you simply don't know any better.

it also didn't start the investigation as they like to say. but facts be damned when you're speaking to the ignorant.

[thethe]

So FBI counterintelligence is "the Obama admin" and Carter Page is "an opposition candidate"?

Well the FBI is under the executive branch right? But, I suppose we can ignore all the evidence of Obamas DOJ meeting with Fusion and the wife of the DOJ member being Fusions Russia expert. Small details.

Further, we can ignore all these Trump associates being surveilled through the campaign and all these 'leaks' that have happened for the last year and half. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

[thethe]

yes, everyone with a 1/4 brain knows and acknowledges this. but they can keep hammering this message and if you're someone who only gets their news from fox you simply don't know any better.

it also didn't start the investigation as they like to say. but facts be damned when you're speaking to the ignorant.

So no funds were used by the Clinton campaign? How about the FBI? Is that what your echo chamber tells you?

[The Chosen One]

The gameplan for the last two months has been to discredit the Dossier. Nunes has been trying to do Trump's work.

Trump's people are all about creating speculation then letting his fans fill in the blanks with what they want to hear.

It's disgraceful to think if Obama pulled this anti-FBI and anti-intelligence community card the backlash the right would give him for coming at the true patriots in the DoJ.

Also crazy that Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller are all Republicans and now the right and the GOP's most hated men because they're not bending over to Lord Trump.

[thethe]

The gameplan for the last two months has been to discredit the Dossier. Nunes has been trying to do Trump's work.

Trump's people are all about creating speculation then letting his fans fill in the blanks with what they want to hear.

It's disgraceful to think if Obama pulled this anti-FBI and anti-intelligence community card the backlash the right would give him for coming at the true patriots in the DoJ.

Also crazy that Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller are all Republicans and now the right and the GOP's most hated men because they're not bending over to Lord Trump.

Gameplan? You mean finally getting evidence after being stonewalled for almost a year by the FBI? I wonder why the FBI/Schiff did everything they could so the house intel committee, you know the oversight body to ensure this doesn't get out of hand, didn't see what was going on.

[Julio3000]

Well the FBI is under the executive branch right? But, I suppose we can ignore all the evidence of Obamas DOJ meeting with Fusion and the wife of the DOJ member being Fusions Russia expert. Small details.

Sure. But by phrasing it that way, you're insinuating WH involvement. So, was there WH involvement in beginning the investigation? That is what you're alleging. Show your work, maybe?

Further, we can ignore all these Trump associates being surveilled through the campaign and all these 'leaks' that have happened for the last year and half. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Which ones? The only ones we know of are Page and Paul Manafort. The former was an acknowledged target of recruitment by Russian intelligence, and the latter was already under investigation. So which others?

[nsacpi]

Why were they denied a FISA warrant originally? And then how did they overcome that to get the FISA warrant the next time?

Source for denial of FISA warrant?

My understanding is that the application was made in October 2016. By that time the Trump campaign had disassociated itself from Page.

If you have information that indicates a different timeline I'd like to see it.

[thethe]

Sure. But by phrasing it that way, you're insinuating WH involvement. So, was there WH involvement in beginning the investigation? That is what you're alleging. Show your work, maybe?



Which ones? The only ones we know of are Page and Paul Manafort. The former was an acknowledged target of recruitment by Russian intelligence, and the latter was already under investigation. So which others?

So we can wash Obamas hands when his own DOJ was meeting with Fusion. Thats rich man. The FBI is the executive branch. A high level investigation like this will be briefed to the President and his advisors. To act like Obama didn't know about this is asinine.

How about Flynn being watched? Thats all we know for now but I believe we will find out that there was more.

But again - Why should we be giving the FBI the benefit of the doubt when it was clear they were in the tank for HRC? Are we supposed to ignore that.