you two disappoint me...i thought only liberals whined like that
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
and I get tired of your whining
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
I think it's reasonable to look at historical analogs. Watergate, Iran-Contra, Whitewater...hell, even Benghazi, which was tiny in scope compared to the others. Most of them clicked years. Even some investigations of cabinet officials which centered on a single individual or a single incident have run longer than the Mueller investigation currently has.
So far there are indictments or plea agreements with 5 individuals, plus another 13 foreign nationals. You're spitting in the wind if you don't think there are going to be a lot more.
What's your positive case for suggesting they should just roll it up now?
I don't have one.
I am wondering what the time frame is when y'all will start to give up.
Sounds like just about the time Trump is voted out of office.
I guess when they stop indicting people, when cases get prosecuted, and facts are produced and argued in court.
At the very least, I want to know who did the hacks and if they coordinated with Americans. I want to know why the Trump campaign appeared to be tacitly cooperating with people trailing information about apparent criminal acts. I think it's quite reasonable to want some answers to those particular questions, and to be willing to wait for them.
Sure it is.
But gosh I thought all that was already proven if you listen to 57 and runnin
But I'm.fine with letting it play out. I know the government won't and can't move efficiently.
So are you on the 4 years train, or "it'll be done when it's done" train?
Trump is totally screwed on so many fronts: emoluments, corruption, obstruction and selling influence to the Russians. His only hope is holding public opinion afloat with the economy or a suddenly "totally necessary" war.
It's not surprising that no lawyer with a sliver of good sense will go anywhere near him.
FFF - BB, BB, 2B, HR, 2B, HR, 1B, BB, BB, 1B, BB, BB, HR
Oh Grasshopper
History tells us, the Watergate Burglary (2nd rate) happened June 1972
Spring of 1973 it was learned there was a tape system
Late summer 1974 Nixon resigned.
= 2+ years
Let me add, late summer 1968 Nixon colluded with the North Vietnamese to derail peace talks
Which history tells us started this whole ball rolling
= 6+ years
Perhaps you and your merry band of TikiBoi's will do an all nighter to do a report on Teapot Dome
Last edited by 57Brave; 04-02-2018 at 06:43 AM.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
interesting filing by Mueller re van der Swaamp
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ice-Other.html
Last edited by nsacpi; 04-02-2018 at 12:11 PM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
I think the latter, but I suspect that most of the important pieces will be in place within the year. That's fairly speedy, as these things go.
And I'd argue that it's not really a matter of government being slow and inefficient. You could--purely hypothetically--farm the investigation out to a private entity, but complex legal maneuvering involving hundreds of parties and millions of documents are not going to be greased lightning, regardless. The law provides some boundaries, and unless you suggest we scrap that, too, some patience is in order.
It's the old industrial maxim...everybody wants fast, cheap, and effective, but you realistically are only going to get two of the above. In this case, considering that big-baller private sector lawyers are working for government paychecks, I'm guessing it'll be cheap (in relative terms) and effective, but not particularly fast.
"But gosh I thought all that was already proven if you listen to 57 and runnin"
Not speaking for runnin'
but nothing has yet been proven.
There is a lot of information on the table
In my outsiders opinion, a lot of damning information
We may be at least a year away.
Something about aiming at a king you get one shot
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
But you say collision as if it's a fact. Go back and read your posts
I think it is a slam dunk.
But, I am not Robert Mueller or the judge or on a jury.
My legal training is limited to watching every episode of Ally McBeal
Back to your point, I don't know if there is "proof"
There used to be a lawyer on this forum ---
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told special counsel Robert Mueller in a classified August 2, 2017, memo that he should investigate allegations that President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Pavel Manafartov was "colluding with Russian government officials" to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, prosecutors in the Russia probe revealed late Monday night.
Mueller was also empowered by Rosenstein to investigate Manafartov's payments from Ukrainian politicians, a cornerstone of the Trump adviser's decades-long lobbying career that has resulted in several financial criminal charges so far.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/polit...emo/index.html
None of this is news. But I do see claims here and elsewhere by Trumpophiles that Mueller so far has only indicted Manafartov on crimes that pre-date the campaign. It is pretty likely imo that Mueller will eventually bring up charges against Manafartov related to his activities during the campaign.
Last edited by nsacpi; 04-03-2018 at 08:23 AM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."