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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I, too, am curious about "Essential Consulting, LLC" (that name). I want to know about those payments from AT&T and KAI (amongst others).

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if something foul/illegal is unearthed.

    I don't think it'll have anything to do with Russia, Russia!™, or the collusion narrative (as it has metamorphosed) though, and I doubt it will bear on Trump, personally, in any way (aside from the usual 'presidential judgement and integrity' catcalling).
    Yes, that quaint idiosyncratic tendency that some of us have, preferring not to have an underinformed chief exec who's surrounded by on-the-take mediocrities.

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    You all mock the President and his apparent aptitude and yet the last 18 months have been a tremendous success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    You all mock the President and his apparent aptitude and yet the last 18 months have been a tremendous success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    record low negro unemployment rate...folks need to be grateful
    You laugh but we are seeing that 'negros' are waking up.

    I know its killing you that Trump is the best president in the last 30+ years.
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    With respect to the slush fund aptly named Essential Consultants LLC my current priors are as follows:

    1) Most of the payments were not for any "advice" or "insight" or "work" by Cohen. They were simply gifts.

    2) Those gifts will turn out to be legally problematic for Cohen and others, including the parties who made them.

    3) Some of the proceeds were used to benefit parties other than Cohen. One of those parties will turn out to be the president.

    4) Cohen will flip and share information that implicates Trump in the sense he will have been made aware that various parties that made payments to Essential Consultants did so with the expectation that Trump would be the beneficiary.

    5) Evidence will be developed that will show Trump took action as president that provided benefits to some of the parties who made contributions to Essential Consultants. Keep an eye on Elliot Broidy here.

    6) The legal system will eventually find multiple parties (including Trump) guilty of paying and receiving bribes.

    Those are my priors. ymmv
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    Novartis: Our former CEO did it. Current management has nothing to do with it.

    Mueller contacted Novartis about the payments back in November.
    Last edited by nsacpi; 05-09-2018 at 08:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    With respect to the slush fund aptly named Essential Consultants LLC my current priors are as follows:

    1) Most of the payments were not for any "advice" or "insight" or "work" by Cohen. They were simply gifts.

    2) Those gifts will turn out to be legally problematic for Cohen and others, including the parties who made them.

    3) Some of the proceeds were used to benefit parties other than Cohen. One of those parties will turn out to be the president.

    4) Cohen will flip and share information that implicates Trump in the sense he will have been made aware that various parties that made payments to Essential Consultants did so with the expectation that Trump would be the beneficiary.

    5) Evidence will be developed that will show Trump took action as president that provided benefits to some of the parties who made contributions to Essential Consultants. Keep an eye on Elliot Broidy here.

    6) The legal system will eventually find multiple parties (including Trump) guilty of paying and receiving bribes.

    Those are my priors. ymmv
    That is a story that I am certain will have some revelatory detail to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Yes, that quaint idiosyncratic tendency that some of us have, preferring not to have an underinformed chief exec who's surrounded by on-the-take mediocrities.
    Yeah, because Cohen worked in the White House.

    Oh, Trump Inc.

    And grifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Novartis: Our former CEO did it. Current management has nothing to do with it.

    Mueller contacted Novartis about the payments back in November.
    Which again begs the question, "What else is Mueller sitting on?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    Which again begs the question, "What else is Mueller sitting on?"
    I think the Broidy/Nader/Prince nexus will be high yield from a prosecutorial point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Mueller contacted Novartis about the payments back in November.
    ^^

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    "Now, Congress has been legislating tougher sanctions against Putin and Russia over the past year by sweeping, close-to-unanimous bipartisan majorities. But the Trump administration has been softening or delaying those sanctions at every turn. Last month, the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control finally implemented congressional sanctions against Deripaska and Rusal, in addition to other Russians. The Treasury Department cited allegations that Deripaska ordered the murder of a businessman and had links to a Russian organized crime group. But on April 23, the Trump administration announced major delays on implementation, “slow-rolling” the sanctions seemingly to give Rusal time to minimize the damage and to appeal the sanctions. Treasury gave Rusal an extension to next October, and Reuters reported the department would “consider lifting [the sanctions] if United Company Rusal PLC’s major shareholder, Russian tycoon Oleg Deripaska, ceded control of the company,” which he soon did. “Given the impact on our partners and allies, we are … extending the maintenance and wind-down period while we consider RUSAL’s petition,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement."

    From Slate today, pointing out that the Administration has delayed and otherwise slow-walked sanctions against Rusal, which is 26.5% owned by Vekselberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I'm going to assume for the sake of the question that all of these entities are/were completely legit and above-board (heh). What have these particular payments to this LLC have to do with those "legitimate" businesses?
    Has Cohen ever been charged with a crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Yeah, because Cohen worked in the White House.

    Oh, Trump Inc.

    And grifters.
    Mike Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen. Probably Jared Kushner, too. The shoe fits.

    Having "Cohen didn't work in the WH" as your bunker to retreat to is not really very compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Has Cohen ever been charged with a crime?
    Had Paul Manafort?

    May want to check in again on this one in six or eight weeks.

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    But, again, what legit business purpose do these payments have? Advice about NY real estate? Investment in taxi medallions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Mike Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen. Probably Jared Kushner, too. The shoe fits.

    Having "Cohen didn't work in the WH" as your bunker to retreat to is not really very compelling.
    So Paul Manafort and Mike Flynn are 'mediocrities'?

    If you are going to make this argument, at least make it cohesively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    But, again, what legit business purpose do these payments have? Advice about NY real estate? Investment in taxi medallions?
    Er, I don't know.

    You don't know.

    Only The Shadow knows.

    I'm just asking what grounds you assume you have to automagically proceed as though the payments are illegitimate.

    Given the preponderance of evidence.

    Not the agenda, not the narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Had Paul Manafort?

    May want to check in again on this one in six or eight weeks.
    I mean, you'd think over the course of three/four decades comprised of "slip-and-fall fraud, various mobbed-up cash businesses, selling condos to his in-laws' mobbed-up cronies, and flipping real estate for suspicious profits" there'd be something, right?

    But, yeah, Paul Manafort. Good one. Dude's so guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Er, I don't know.

    You don't know.

    Only The Shadow knows.

    I'm just asking what grounds you assume you have to automagically proceed as though the payments are illegitimate.

    Given the preponderance of evidence.

    Not the agenda, not the narrative.
    getting a federal magistrate to approve search warrants on an attorney to the president of the United States suggests something...we dont know the details, but by now my presumption is things will end very badly for Cohen and Trump
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