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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Its been shown this was a coup. You just want to ignore the evidence.
    It's the most protracted, least violent, and least effective coup ever. If it was a coup, if the "deep state" had the powers you claim they do, so on so forth they would have easily buried Trump. If the police can routinely beat and threaten out false confessions, then the FBI could have easily done the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The trump administration was fully cooperative with the investigation as noted by Mueller.

    This was Russias plan and the media were useful idiots that allowed this to be successful. Them along aith the Obama administration who set this all in motion.
    See this is the delusion I'm talking about. "Trump was fully cooperative" how many tweets, how many public speeches was he slandering the investigation. If he instead of going out calling it illegal and so on so forth, went out and said "the Russians hacked the DNC, I wasn't involved but the FBI is dotting the Is and crossing the Ts so bear with us while we find out who was responsible" Nope instead it started way back in 2016 when Trump jokingly called for Russia to hack the "missing emails"
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    See this is the delusion I'm talking about. "Trump was fully cooperative" how many tweets, how many public speeches was he slandering the investigation. If he instead of going out calling it illegal and so on so forth, went out and said "the Russians hacked the DNC, I wasn't involved but the FBI is dotting the Is and crossing the Ts so bear with us while we find out who was responsible" Nope instead it started way back in 2016 when Trump jokingly called for Russia to hack the "missing emails"
    Every request made was fufilled. Case closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    It's the most protracted, least violent, and least effective coup ever. If it was a coup, if the "deep state" had the powers you claim they do, so on so forth they would have easily buried Trump. If the police can routinely beat and threaten out false confessions, then the FBI could have easily done the same.
    Because our founders were so wise it made it challenging but the attempt was made make no mistake about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Because our founders were so wise it made it challenging but the attempt was made make no mistake about it
    Lol you're actually insane.
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    Ryan Knight
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    BREAKING: Federal prosecutors just revealed in a DC district court

    that the Mueller grand jury that investigated Russian collusion is “continuing robustly.”

    TRANSLATION: Mueller farmed out ongoing investigations

    to U.S. attorneys and Trump and the GOP celebrated way too early!


    Spunky

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    Which is also an indication that Mueller was pressured to wrap up too soon.
    .................................................. ..................

    Like I said two days ago, he was in effect fired
    For PR purposes they couldn't do it as in "you're fired"-- so they back- doored it or, "starved the beast" which was Barr's preferred method of
    'fixing" this.
    Ala Roy Cohn

    We have one other poster here that experienced the day to day of Watergate. We had false endings and pronouncements of this is the end of this let's move on --- just ike now.
    What we didnt have was the PR department that is Fox News.
    Designed just for this purpose

    Like I said 3 or 4 days ago, this is far from over
    .................................................. ......................

    and what about those Grand Jurys ?
    funny no one here has offered an opinion on waht questions they are asking and of whom
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    Trump's gonna win again bc the left just can't stop being insane

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Trump's gonna win again bc the left just can't stop being insane
    Only way that happens is if the Dems bring in an unviable candidate. If it's Sanders or Biden they should beat Trump. If it's O'Rourke or Buttigieg it will be a tight race but winnable. Harris has a very outside shot but she keeps shooting herself in the foot every 5 interviews or so. Warren has no shot as long as Sanders is around.
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    I think it comes down to the economy...if we have avoided a recession and unemployment is still so low, it will be difficult for anyone to knock off Trump. Trying to overcome an incumbent advantage and strong economy would be daunting. I also think Twitter is a tremendous advantage for Trump. He can get his message out his way to 60M people without relying on the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    I think it comes down to the economy...if we have avoided a recession and unemployment is still so low, it will be difficult for anyone to knock off Trump. Trying to overcome an incumbent advantage and strong economy would be daunting. I also think Twitter is a tremendous advantage for Trump. He can get his message out his way to 60M people without relying on the media.
    The catch is avoiding a recession. Unemployment doesn't matter. Those are fake numbers at this point as many people who were canned a long time ago are either working part-time or part-time at multiple jobs or just gave up on working. If we see a serious uptick in unemployment then things are really bad.

    Trump won't gain any voters before the election. The question will be who shows up. Will his base be energized again? Will moderate conservatives show up at the polls? Will the dems come in with a strong enough candidate? Reality is that Bernie would have smoked him in 2016. Bernie is likely to best him in 2020. Trump will have some returning voters, but a lot of people who voted for Trump will switch to Bernie because he hasn't delivered what he promised to the Rust Belt (hint, no one will because manufacturing jobs aren't important jobs in the modern economy) Biden is also likely to take Trump because he is much more likeable than Hillary. Odds are he runs with a female VP nod (Bernie likely will too) as an attempt to get women to get to the polls for the dems.
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    He will gain voters if an avowed socialist is his oppnent

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    Viewership for leftist msm will be interesting to watch. Lots of the centrist to left leaning base might feep betrayed because of the collusion hoax.

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    Seriously.

    The Dems are giving him four more years. The statements in this thread won't let it go. It was said already.

    Sh*t, I have to deal with this oaf four more years and four more of this crap. I think the country needs to just move on and deal with him.

    No Dem have a chance, they are like the Rep the last election. A lot of chiefs and no Indians because they all want to be the one and eliminate themselves. The same tactic that Chump used to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    He will gain voters if an avowed socialist is his oppnent
    Not likely. I'm not talking about hardcore republicans. I'm talking about the middle. Sanders has a great way of talking to the middle. They don't care about the socialist tag because Sanders can eloquently take care of that. What they will care about is that Sanders will talk about getting jobs in a way that Trump hasn't. Let's look at the narrow victory states, less than 5%

    Arizona - Likely to stay republican, but the right running mate from Sanders could swing it, but i doubt the Ds will try that hard.
    Colorado - Moving into a solid blue state. Don't see any movement there
    Florida - Who knows. I honestly don't know which way it will go. I'm gonna assume Florida could stay in the Rep side, but it depends on how hard the war on welfare goes.
    Georgia - If Sanders pulls Abrams as his running mate, Georgia could swing.
    Michigan - I think Sanders absolutely runs better for the Working Class American than Hillary does, can easily see this flipping back to blue.
    Minnesota - Hillary won this, I don't see Bernie losing this but it is possible.
    Nevada - Hard to say, I'm gonna assume it stays blue as it's the direction the state goes but who knows.
    New Hampshire - Bernie beat Hillary in the New Hampshire primary, he should perform as well as her if not better but it could go the other way.
    North Carolina - Likely to stay with Trump but who knows. Bernie could pull an upset.
    Pennsylvania - Will be close, but with a candidate speaking to the working class, likely to go back to being a blue state but I expect it to stay a battleground state for sure.
    Virginia - Moving to a solid blue state. I don't see it switching to Trump but who knows.
    Wisconsin - Similar to MIchigan I think ti goes back to being blue with someoen speaking to the rustbelt about jobs.

    What the Trump camp is hoping for was that the big swing from 2012 to 2016 was a movement to the right. Maybe it was. More likely than not though it was a slide step based on Hillary's legendarily bad campaign. If some of the states that Hillary lost go back to Obama era voting, Sanders wins comfortably. That's not including the close states in 2012 like Iowa, Ohio and Florida, but if he takes back Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, keep in mind Bernie smoked hillary in Minnesota, beat her in michigan, and smoked her in Wisconsin. Only state that's at risk that he didn't beat her in was Iowa (which was likely a setup DNC victory) Pennsylvania (Bernie I don't think loses many dems in Pennsylvania) and North Carolina which was a big loss.

    The thing that has to keep the Trump campaign uneasy is the chance that Georgia could become a blue state. 2018 saw a Republican Incumbent barely beat a Democratic challenger. That has to have members of the republican party scared.

    Worst case scenario for the reps right now is that this party field whittles down fast. They want to keep it wide open and have the candidates keep attacking each other, gives them much more canon fodder. If this wraps up quickly with a Sanders victory, then don't expect anything less than a really hard fight for Trump.
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    Adam Goldman
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    ]SCOOP: The total of 300-plus pages suggests that Mr. Mueller went

    well beyond the kind of bare-bones summary required by the Justice Department

    regulation governing his appointment and detailed his conclusions at length
    . https://nyti.ms/2V2cmcf w/@npfandos




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    Nate Silver Retweeted Adam Goldman

    Revising my prior on "Barr substantially misrepresented the Mueller Report"

    from "unlikely but not unthinkable" to "not the modal outcome but well

    within the thick part of the probability distribution".
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    How’s it going Beelzebub?
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    How about: the probability that an Administration that lies

    about virtually everything is probably lying about the

    Mueller Report at worst and

    misrepresenting it at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Adam Goldman
    ‏Verified account @adamgoldmanNYT

    ]SCOOP: The total of 300-plus pages suggests that Mr. Mueller went

    well beyond the kind of bare-bones summary required by the Justice Department

    regulation governing his appointment and detailed his conclusions at length
    . https://nyti.ms/2V2cmcf w/@npfandos




    Nate Silver
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    Nate Silver Retweeted Adam Goldman

    Revising my prior on "Barr substantially misrepresented the Mueller Report"

    from "unlikely but not unthinkable" to "not the modal outcome but well

    within the thick part of the probability distribution".
    Don't think he's saying what you wish he was saying

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    still not released
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