Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

[57Brave]

If you wanted someone who was clean from Russia, HRC was not your gal.

show your math

I would suggest you read the Politico article .

By your logic everyone in the US that ever lied aobut a BJ should stand impeachment.
Whether caught or not. I have it on good source ...

[nsacpi]

who is we ?
'we" had that opportunity in November to elect some one with a record of taking hard stances against the Russians and many choose a serial sex predator / suspected Russian agent / failed casino owner, because you know, there might be an appearance of possible wrongdoing ...
Crocodile tears my friend, crocodile tears

"we" as in Ben Sasse or Donald Trump or Jeff Sessions .... Paul Ryan --- John McCain lil Marco -- Rand Paul -- Justin Amash
Puh leeese

we is our country

[sturg33]

show your math

I really don't feel like it... because when we have the same convo 6 weeks from now, you'll forget everything as usual.

You can start with Podesta, and when you're done - the Clinton foundation.

You can look it up

[Hawk]

from a legal perspective I doubt collusion will send anyone to jail...on that we appear to be in agreement...

however the growing body of evidence regarding collusion is a very big deal politically and very dangerous for the guy currently occupying the oval office

It could go either way. I think that the investigation needs to produce a conviction, at the very least. Otherwise you run the risk of watching the tide turn as Republicans begin to universally retreat to a witch-hunt defense (the tax-payer dollar waste pivot always resounds). Then Trump morphs into a hero for keeping his hat on despite partisan attacks on his family, the base has an obvious rallying cry, and the Democrats are suddenly working from a disadvantage.

I agree that things appear dire for Trump, but I still see escape routes for him.

[nsacpi]

We are not at war with them. They carried out an act that they and many other countries do every single year.

This is not new. this is a which hunt from the biggest group of entitled losers I've ever seen

if you don't see the difference between what they did in collusion with the Trump campaign and previous elections you are being willfully blind

[57Brave]

I really don't feel like it... because when we have the same convo 6 weeks from now, you'll forget everything as usual.

You can start with Podesta, and when you're done - the Clinton foundation.

You can look it up

you have no math

"I really don't feel like it" is a chicken**** response

[Runnin]

Do the people on the left actually care that the Russians tried to "interfere?"

Haven't they done it every election?

Doesn't the US to it as well?

doesn't other countries?

Isn't this just a big which hunt?

If Trump were acting more Presidential and inspiring some confidence in his abilities it would be less of a story.

If he had not attacked the Media and the Intelligence Community and in effect dared them to come after him . . .

If he were not so blatantly enriching himself and his family through the office . . .

If he were not clearly trying to transform our 250 yr old democracy into an Eastern European kleptocracy overnight . . .

I agree it is a "which hunt". Which to hunt for? The collusion, the obstruction, the blatant profiteering or the general incompetence? Too many targets.

[sturg33]

you have no math

"I really don't feel like it" is a chicken**** response

As an unwise man has told me many times, google is your friend. "you can look it up"

[nsacpi]

It could go either way. I think that the investigation needs to produce a conviction, at the very least. Otherwise you run the risk of watching the tide turn as Republicans begin to universally retreat to a witch-hunt defense (the tax-payer dollar waste pivot always resounds). Then Trump morphs into a hero for keeping his hat on despite partisan attacks on his family, the base has an obvious rallying cry, and the Democrats are suddenly working from a disadvantage.

I agree that things appear dire for Trump, but I still see escape routes for him.

well once upon a time I saw plausible explanations other than the one now staring us in the face for actions taken by him and his surrogates...i think the escape routes are no longer there...what remains is for the legal and political process to play itself...the chances of it ending well for Trump are very small

[57Brave]

It has been looked up for close to 30 years. As a wise woman once wrote

"there is no there -- there "

"there" was a blow job -- a blow job
3 little words

[sturg33]

Honestly I'd rather he get impeached just so I can stop hearing about Russia every day.

it's exhausting and he's not good enough of a President to deal with it

[Hawk]

if we were smart we would recognize the asymmetries that exist between us and Russia and retaliate in a way that exploits our strengths and their weaknesses...we need to respond very strongly and intelligently to this

The thing that kills me about all of this is that I've always been a proponent of working with Russia. It just makes more geopolitical sense, especially given their entrenchment in the Middle East. Nevertheless, they do need us more than we need them, so retaliation shouldn't be off the table (assuming, for a moment, that their entanglement in our election was atypically nefarious). Unfortunately, the majority of our muscle here comes via the European combo punch ... which is looking pretty weak these days.

[57Brave]

It is funny how this paralells Watergate.
It is reported the night before leaving the White House Nixon was still going on about "the Kennedy's" - how privileged they were and how much they got away with.

It takes lack of discipline and a not very good plan to get caught.
Trump got caught

That is Trumps crime. Hubris and entitlement

[nsacpi]

Honestly I'd rather he get impeached just so I can stop hearing about Russia every day.

it's exhausting and he's not good enough of a President to deal with it

it will take some time but you are likely to be granted your wish

[nsacpi]

It is funny how this paralells Watergate.
It is reported the night before leaving the White House Nixon was still going on about "the Kennedy's" - how privileged they were and how much they got away with.

It takes lack of discipline and a not very good plan to get caught.
Trump got caught

That is Trumps crime. Hubris and entitlement

stupidity and incompetence on a collosal scale too

[57Brave]

I miss No Drama Obama

truth be known, and I think a lot of others do too

[Hawk]

Honestly I'd rather he get impeached just so I can stop hearing about Russia every day.

it's exhausting and he's not good enough of a President to deal with it

If Mike Pence becomes President of this country I'm moving to the Philippines.

[sturg33]

Trump got caught

That is Trumps crime. Hubris and entitlement

What is the crime and what did he get caught doing?

[nsacpi]

The thing that kills me about all of this is that I've always been a proponent of working with Russia. It just makes more geopolitical sense, especially given their entrenchment in the Middle East. Nevertheless, they do need us more than we need them, so retaliation shouldn't be off the table (assuming, for a moment, that their entanglement in our election was atypically nefarious). Unfortunately, the majority of our muscle here comes via the European combo punch ... which is looking pretty weak these days.

I distinguish between Russia and Putin...what is possible will change once he has passed from the scene

[CK86]

The Don Jr. emails prove that he was, at the very least, open to the idea of accepting Russia's help in order for his father to win the election. I don't see how that can be disputed based on reading the emails. Kushner's security clearances should've been removed a long time ago but nothing about this administration is normal.

That said, I also don't think it's going to be the thing that brings down the Trump administration. I believe we're at the top of the mountain and Don Jr's emails just pushed the snowball down the side of the mountain. We have a ways yet to go but winter is coming.

I'm gonna laugh so hard if there's actually a recording of the meeting.