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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe late Friday, alleging he made an unauthorized disclosure to the media and “lacked candor” in speaking to an internal watchdog.

    The above is the lead sentence in the WSJ article about the McCabe case.

    It seems to me Sessions is not impartial in this matter and should have recused himself. His exchange with Grassley indicated he would recuse himself from any matters that were in any way connected to Clinton and the Clinton foundation.
    And what if he just repeating information in the report? Sessions did not conclude on any facts. The facts were given to him along with a recommendation to fire from another department. To say sessions should have reused himself from this matter is a stretch.

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    Yes it was a recommendation. So, if someone recommends something to you when you're in charge, don't you look at the "facts" before making your decision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    And what if he just repeating information in the report? Sessions did not conclude on any facts. The facts were given to him along with a recommendation to fire from another department. To say sessions should have reused himself from this matter is a stretch.
    He is not in a position to impartially evaluate the inspector general's report. The report is not a self executing mechanism. It requires evaluation from someone in an executive position before any of its findings are acted upon. The proper thing would have been for Sessions to recuse himself, as he indicated he would in any such matters when he testified at his confirmation hearing.
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    ^Do not understand why that's so difficult to comprehend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    He is not in a position to impartially evaluate the inspector general's report. The report is not a self executing mechanism. It requires evaluation from someone in an executive position before any of its findings are acted upon. The proper thing would have been for Sessions to recuse himself, as he indicated he would in any such matters when he testified at his confirmation hearing.
    What evaluation is needed to be made? There is a fact pattern that led an impartial committee (one that would probably be favorable towards a career fbI member ) to recommend firing. Not sure what the debate is here. The rumors of McCabe changing flynns 302 statement are still out there and likey on this report. I doubt the decision was difficult at all.

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    There are a lot of "rumors" out there. Dude, I will write you a recommendation for Trump's administration anytime. Just ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    What evaluation is needed to be made? There is a fact pattern that led an impartial committee (one that would probably be favorable towards a career fbI member ) to recommend firing. Not sure what the debate is here. The rumors of McCabe changing flynns 302 statement are still out there and likey on this report. I doubt the decision was difficult at all.
    Anyone acting in an executive capacity has the responsibility to make such an evaluation. And if they can't impartially make such an evaluation they should recuse themselves.

    To be clear I'm not arguing the merits of the case here. This is about making sure it is done in a way that is proper. The procedures (including rules regarding recusal) are in place to ensure the integrity of any actions taken in cases like this. I don't think Sessions is capable of acting impartially in this case.
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    I think you're putting too much weight on sessions being the decision maker. He basically just accepted the fbis own recommendation. If the two decisions conflicted with each other I'd see your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I think you're putting too much weight on sessions being the decision maker. He basically just accepted the fbis own recommendation. If the two decisions conflicted with each other I'd see your point.
    Sessions absolutely was the decision maker in this matter. And he is tainted with respect to anything involving McCabe. He should have recused himself. This is a textbook example of a situation where recusal is called for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Sessions absolutely was the decision maker in this matter. And he is tainted with respect to anything involving McCabe. He should have recused himself. This is a textbook example of a situation where recusal is called for.
    So what's the procedure if he reuses himself? Who is next in line? Is the decision any different? I think it will be clear what the right decision was once the report is made available and this talk of recuse will be moot.

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    Talk of whether the decision would have been different or should have been is moot because proper procedure wasn't followed. The decision has been made now. McCabe may have acted improperly. There's nothing to suggest his actions were part of a Deep State plot against Trump. We'll see how much you like the IG report when it's released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    Talk of whether the decision would have been different or should have been is moot because proper procedure wasn't followed. The decision has been made now. McCabe may have acted improperly. There's nothing to suggest his actions were part of a Deep State plot against Trump. We'll see how much you like the IG report when it's released.
    I don't think the IG report will have anything to do with trump. It will be the handling of the Clinton investigation and Flynn. Flynn being potentially the big bombshell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    So what's the procedure if he reuses himself? Who is next in line? Is the decision any different? I think it will be clear what the right decision was once the report is made available and this talk of recuse will be moot.
    As I said this is not about the merits of the case. The Justice Department has procedures and chain of command that sets forth what happens when there is a recusal.
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.0b9afee1c300

    time to bring this nothing burger witch hunt to an end...waste of taxpayer dollars

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    “I pray that Acting Attorney General Rosenstein will follow the brilliant and courageous example of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and Attorney General Jeff Sessions and bring an end to alleged Russia Collusion investigation manufactured by McCabe’s boss James Comey based upon a fraudulent and corrupt Dossier,” Dowd said in an emailed statement.

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    This is the latest and most blatant of a string of attempts to derail Mueller's investigation. Trump's desire to stop the investigation is perhaps the strongest indication that Mueller's investigation is NOT a nothing burger witch hunt.

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    McCabe kept notes of his interactions with Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    McCabe kept notes of his interactions with Trump.
    Apparently there is also a document that McGahn kept in a safe that has been turned over to Mueller.
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    wonder how those negotiations for an interview are going
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