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Thread: Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

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    I mean Christ even Trump said it. He just blamed the previous administration like he's good at doing. As has been pointed out here, Obama definitely fumbled the issue but I'll go to my grave calling bull**** on people from the right who would like to make it about him because if he had made it an issue during the campaign, he would have been accused mercilessly of meddling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Sure...good defense. You know deep down that if it was Russia we would have known by now.
    I believe this is the conclusion our intelligence services have reached
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I believe this is the conclusion our intelligence services have reached
    The Deep State intelligence services that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    Do you have any curiosity whatsoever about Trump's Moscow trip in 2013 and the lies about not being in contact with Putin and his people?
    You've referenced this trip and its supposed significance multiple times. Spill the beans already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Well, at the very least, it underscores the fact that the Trump campaign was led for a time by a guy who is a corrupt fixer and bagman for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs. You can argue about the import of that, but you can't deny it, and can't deny that it raises some questions.
    The book on Manafort has been out since 1980. Literally. That he was a 'bagman' for pro-Russian Ukrainians might 'raise questions', but let's at least be honest about these charges and what they relate to, specifically.

    I've always seen him as a necessary evil kind of hire with respect to the convention and whipping delegates. It looks bad now, but Trump might not be sitting here had the convention devolved into a contested chaos.

    Not everyone has a Jim Baker on speed dial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    The book on Manafort has been out since 1980. Literally. That he was a 'bagman' for pro-Russian Ukrainians might 'raise questions', but let's at least be honest about these charges and what they relate to, specifically.

    I've always seen him as a necessary evil kind of hire with respect to the convention and whipping delegates. It looks bad now, but Trump might not be sitting here had the convention devolved into a contested chaos.

    Not everyone has a Jim Baker on speed dial.
    whatever he is it appears he did orchestrate a quid pro quo, part of which was for personal gain

    the question I'm sure Mueller is digging into is the extent to which his activities were known to others in the campaign
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    The book on Manafort has been out since 1980. Literally. That he was a 'bagman' for pro-Russian Ukrainians might 'raise questions', but let's at least be honest about these charges and what they relate to, specifically.

    I've always seen him as a necessary evil kind of hire with respect to the convention and whipping delegates. It looks bad now, but Trump might not be sitting here had the convention devolved into a contested chaos.

    Not everyone has a Jim Baker on speed dial.
    oh Hawk,
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    Chris Hayes
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    I gotta say it’s wild to me that anyone is reading all these charging documents and thinking

    “Yeah, this is probably all there is.

    No reason to think the president or his family were part of something criminal.”

    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    whatever he is it appears he did orchestrate a quid pro quo, part of which was for personal gain

    the question I'm sure Mueller is digging into is the extent to which his activities were known to others in the campaign
    That question is kind of the crux of the entire thing. Even if there was a quid pro quo involving Manafort (which hasn't been proven yet), we've got to determine whether or not it related to collusion (broadly, even) before it really matters if anyone else knew/was involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    whatever he is it appears he did orchestrate a quid pro quo, part of which was for personal gain

    the question I'm sure Mueller is digging into is the extent to which his activities were known to others in the campaign

    Misprison of treason
    is the term and Manafortov is staying tight-lipped for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    The book on Manafort has been out since 1980. Literally. That he was a 'bagman' for pro-Russian Ukrainians might 'raise questions', but let's at least be honest about these charges and what they relate to, specifically.

    I've always seen him as a necessary evil kind of hire with respect to the convention and whipping delegates. It looks bad now, but Trump might not be sitting here had the convention devolved into a contested chaos.

    Not everyone has a Jim Baker on speed dial.
    I don't think that's paricularly convincing. While I imagine there may have been some, er, complications with signing up someone from the Bush camp (which would provide the most obvious talent pool), at the end of the day, we're talking about a mercenary class of people here. Surely they could have found somebody to do that job who wasn't an obvious crook of that stripe. Manafort hadn't done that kind of thing since, what, 1996? And if hiring him to whip at the convention was a necessary evil, how about elevating him to lead the campaign?

    As for these charges, I'm not sure where I've misrepresented them. They relate to Manafort's Ukrainian adventures, though the most recent ones at least extend the timeline into his campaign work, where a cash-strapped hood was committing fraud left and right while in hock to Deripaska and god knows what silent partners. That's certainly worth a sidelong glance.

    If there's a link to campaign-related hijinks, it's not as if Mueller would tip that hand now. So the fact that it hasn't emerged in these indictments is hardly convincing proof that it doesn't exist.

    We're grasping in the dark, sure, but it seems like a sucker bet to assume that every piece laid down is going to be the last.

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    A clear-eyed view of Trump might suggest that his being surrounded by grifters chasing questionably legal bucks was an easily foreseeable circumstance.

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    By all accounts, his body of work at the convention was impressive. It’s not exactly shocking that he muscled Lewandowski out afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I've always seen him as a necessary evil kind of hire with respect to the convention and whipping delegates. It looks bad now, but Trump might not be sitting here had the convention devolved into a contested chaos.
    And quickly writing and presenting a pro-Russia GOP convention platform, which for me seems completely out of left field, to show the Russians Trump was on board.
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    A mercenary class with allegiances. We're talking about the party here.

    As for the rest, I'm not making any sort of commentary aside from suggesting that the collusion crew slow their roll a bit and honestly assess the charges for what they are, without overreach.
    Last edited by Hawk; 02-24-2018 at 12:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    And quickly writing and presenting a pro-Russia GOP convention platform to show the Russians Trump was on board.
    This is a (kind of typical) gross misrepresentation of what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    A mercenary class with allegiances. We're talking about the party here.

    As for the rest, I'm not making any sort of commentary aside from suggesting that the collusion crew slow their roll a bit and honestly assess the charges for what they are, withoutout overreach.
    I believe mercenary implies an allegiance to money.

    It's all gonna come out and is the best show on TV for going on 3 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    I believe mercenary implies an allegiance to money.

    It's all gonna come out and is the best show on TV for going on 3 years.
    Money only carries you so far in Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    This is a (kind of typical) gross misrepresentation of what happened.
    It looks like a show of good faith to me.
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