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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    it should be added that history will not be kind in its evaluation of Obama's response to this attack on our democratic processes...imo he choked...bigtime
    Yeah, I agree. I think there was extreme reticence (consistent with the measured and overcautious character of the man) to the appearance of using the office to put his thumb on the scale.

    That said, Mitch McConnell is going to be memorialized as not just fiddling while Rome burned, but effectively picking up a torch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I think the question is going to boil down to if there's evidence of a formal qpq, or was it merely done ad hoc and by inference. I've always thought that evidence of the former is unlikely to emerge. The three obvious possibilities to the contrary are (IMO) the Ukraine platform change, the firm embrace of the Wikileaks dumps, and the well-documented efforts early in the administration to roll back the Crimea sanctions.

    I've thought that the best line for the WH/campaign to take was "hey, we're the victims here as much as the Democrats. The Russians executed a campaign to sow chaos and dissension among the American public during the election, and our campaign was directly targeted. Can you believe they even tried to recruit our low-level staffers? Nasty people."

    By not taking this line immediately and forcefully, they made themselves look guilty af, regardless of whether or not they were.
    the order for the platform change apparently came at the same meeting Papadopoulos discussed his outreach to the Russians
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    It's really hard to not see that as a gesture, a down-payment of sorts, whether directly referred to or not. A wink and a nod. Keep doing what you're doing and you will be rewarded. I've never really heard an adequate counterpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Yeah, I agree. I think there was extreme reticence (consistent with the measured and overcautious character of the man) to the appearance of using the office to put his thumb on the scale.

    That said, Mitch McConnell is going to be memorialized as not just fiddling while Rome burned, but effectively picking up a torch.
    Obama should have not allowed McConnell to veto a forceful response. But yeah McConnell is going to have a black mark against him for all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    it should be added that history will not be kind in its evaluation of Obama's response to this attack on our democratic processes...imo he choked...bigtime
    Perhaps he should've called Mitch McConnell's bluff and revealed what was known at the time.
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    Remember kids, Trump is a complete imbecile who is also brilliant enough to successfully collude with the foreign super power workout a gave off evidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    It's really hard to not see that as a gesture, a down-payment of sorts, whether directly referred to or not. A wink and a nod. Keep doing what you're doing and you will be rewarded. I've never really heard an adequate counterpoint.
    of course the Trumpies have been so feckless I would not be surprised if some sort of money or electronic trail establishing what happened comes out...or one of the principals flips
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    Perhaps he should've called Mitch McConnell's bluff and revealed what was known at the time.
    easy for us to say in restrospect...but I agree
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    One interesting thing about the indictments today is just how ****ing detailed the charging documents are. That's not really the norm. Considering that none of the subjects are ever going to be tried in US court, it's instructive to ask who the message was intended for. Seems more likely to me to be pointed stateside than overseas.

    I'm incredibly curious as to the question of whether they'll be able to bring charges on the email hacks. I've always kinda assumed no, but I'm questioning that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    of course the Trumpies have been so feckless I would not be surprised if some sort of money or electronic trail establishing what happened comes out...or one of the principals flips
    I think that's a distinct possibility, and I've been generally bearish on the prospect of proving a criminal conspiracy on the part of US persons.

    That's why I think that the specificity and detail in today's indictments are aimed at bringing people who are potentially reachable into the fold.

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    No matter what happens, it looks like a slick move by Mueller and Rosenstein to protect themselves and the investigation, and one nobody saw coming. This Mueller guy should not be underestimated.
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    Strange how the people cheering that Trump is cleaning the swamp, see all of Trump's associates and confidants under Mueller's thumb for some shady stuff and it's just ho-hum business as usual nothing to see here. Mueller has had an amazing week.

    I still think the most hilarious plot twist would be those around Trump in his inner circle did collude with Russia behind his back to shield him because they know he's a doofus and kept him oblivious to it and that's why he genuinely believes there was nothing going on.
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    Trump testifying under Oath.

    Forever Fredi


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Strange how the people cheering that Trump is cleaning the swamp, see all of Trump's associates and confidants under Mueller's thumb for some shady stuff and it's just ho-hum business as usual nothing to see here. Mueller has had an amazing week.

    I still think the most hilarious plot twist would be those around Trump in his inner circle did collude with Russia behind his back to shield him because they know he's a doofus and kept him oblivious to it and that's why he genuinely believes there was nothing going on.
    He says "No collusion" A LOT.

    What's the saying: It you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth? Let's try it. No collusion. No collusion. No collusion. No collusion. No collusion. No collusion.
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    Meet Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Russian Oligarch Indicted in U.S. Election Interference

    ST. PETERSBURG, Russia — Long before he was indicted by the United States in a case involving the troll factory that spearheaded Russian efforts to meddle in the 2016 United States elections, Yevgeny V. Prigozhin emerged from prison just as the Soviet Union was collapsing and opened a hot-dog stand.

    Soon, he has said, the rubles were piling up faster than his mother could count them in the kitchen of their modest apartment, and he was set on his improbable career. He earned the slightly mocking nickname of “Putin’s cook.”

    Despite his humble, troubled youth, Mr. Prigozhin became one of Russia’s richest men, joining a charmed circle whose members often share one particular attribute: their proximity to President Vladimir V. Putin. The small club of loyalists who gain Mr. Putin’s trust often feast, as Mr. Prigozhin has, on enormous state contracts. In return, they are expected to provide other, darker services to the Kremlin as needed.

    On Friday, Mr. Prigozhin was one of 13 Russians indicted by a federal grand jury for interfering in the American election.

    According to the indictment, Mr. Prigozhin, 56, controlled the entity that financed the troll factory, known as the Internet Research Agency, which waged “information warfare against the United States” by creating fictitious social-media personas, spreading falsehoods and promoting messages supportive of Donald J. Trump and critical of Hillary Clinton. He has denied involvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Remember kids, Trump is a complete imbecile who is also brilliant enough to successfully collude with the foreign super power workout a gave off evidence
    No his doctors cleared that up for us. He's a mental genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    No matter what happens, it looks like a slick move by Mueller and Rosenstein to protect themselves and the investigation, and one nobody saw coming. This Mueller guy should not be underestimated.
    Never underestimate a Clinton co-conspirator.

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    Yesterday Mueller brought more banking charges against Manafort, too. Something to do with him misrepresenting his assets during the bail hearing, if I read it correctly.

    More leverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Strange how the people cheering that Trump is cleaning the swamp, see all of Trump's associates and confidants under Mueller's thumb for some shady stuff and it's just ho-hum business as usual nothing to see here. Mueller has had an amazing week.

    I still think the most hilarious plot twist would be those around Trump in his inner circle did collude with Russia behind his back to shield him because they know he's a doofus and kept him oblivious to it and that's why he genuinely believes there was nothing going on.
    Trump and company are a good deal swampier than the swamp
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    Chris Strohm of Bloomberg seems to have developed a very good source.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

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