Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Ming the Great knows what's coming.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
My point at the time was that he was under pressure to make a deal to cooperate because he was facing the possibility of dying in jail. This was the premise that you mocked. The fact that he took a deal to cooperate after the first trial and pleaded guilty to all the charges rather proves this. I was, in this case, pretty much spot on about the way it turned out. Your contention was that he’d beat the charges or get a slap on the wrist. So, I’m not sure why you’re crowing over this as some sort of vindication.
The Trump Tower meeting was such a big uneventful nothingburger that all the people involved have forgotten it even took place.
Forever Fredi
Your original point was that the charges against Manafort were so serious and so substantive that they would unequivocally result in him dying in jail. I ridiculed your take, in part because your using it to prop up the broader '"RUSSIA!" narrative was transparent -- and ludicrous, besides -- but also because it went against everything we know about prosecutions (in general) and white collar crime.
Your interpretation of the charges, both in terms of immediate legal ramifications as well as the broader Trump-related context, was wrong and I explained why ... and suggested what reality I thought would eventually evolve.
And it did.
My point was that the charges were serious enough, and well-documented enough, that there was too much of a chance to risk dying in jail if he didn’t make a deal. Which he did. You said you thought he’d beat it or get a slap on the wrist...which is not totally unreasonable, just a misreading of the strength of the case against him. And you were correct about the judge’s willingness to circumvent the sentencing guidelines, though 4 years is hardly a slap on the wrist. He’s still got another sentencing to go. He could end up with no additional time, or up to 10 additional years. If anything close to the latter, I’m really not sure how this adds up to vindication of your point of view.
And we find out for sure what we already know. Insurance policy was the russia investigation to erase a democratically elected president.
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I would like to congratulate Pavel Manafartov on his breaking John Mitchell's record for longest jail sentence given to a former manager of a successful presidential campaign.
And also wish him good luck in his research efforts on comparative conditions in the New York state prison system and the federal prison system. Perhaps soon old friend Roger Stone will join him as research assistant.
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"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
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Manafort is the first of Trump's inner circle to receive state charges.
This is out of Trump's obstructive reach—he can’t fire the investigators.
The charges are similar to what Trump is accused of.
Manhattan DA: “No one is beyond the law in New York…"
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
We are just going to ignore the Lisa Paige testimony right?
Asking for a friend.
Im just not sure what else we need to corroborate the corruptness of the ptiot administration and thos whole sham of an investigation. Wonder what it feels like to wake up every day and know you were taken and believed one of the biggest conspiracy theories of all time.
When those in power abuse their power.
So obvious from the very beginning. And you all fell for it. How sad
shot in the dark --- wonder if this was the first and only time the Justice Department passed down to the FBI the opinion that there was no there --- there.
Wondering aloud here but perhaps it was like Comey said that there was no basis for a case.
The reports linked here are all Fox -- is that correct ?
Fox aint having such a good week either
So
Who do they bring up ?
Hillary.
Were you guys birn yesterday - Or just missed the past 25 years ?
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.