Except that he's so young he's not going to be losing much speed in the next four or five years, unless he really fills out. Obviously at some point everyone slows down, but at 19 I think that's quite a ways off for Acuna. I don't see him as the type that's going to pack in a bunch of bad weight.Originally Posted by thewupk
I know. Robles has a 70/60 speed rating. Ronald has a 60/55.
That is not accurate, IMO. You've either got to bump Robles down or bump Ronald up. I have seen both play.
And you've timed them both on a dig to first base? I'm guessing no.
Let the 14 month countdown until you're gone begin.
Yes but FV also refers to a players prime. I don't think we should realistically expect Acuna to hit his FV hit and power tools within the next few years either.
His speed is currently rated a 60 and the future value is a 55 on Fangraphs, unless you call it something different, in which case you're being needlessly pedantic.
I don't see any reason for insults. Just argue your points.
Has Longenhagen?
Maybe, or a scout he knows has. Or he times it on video.
I promise you he didn't come up with that grade by saying "wow he sure looks fast!"
Further, if he were that fast he would be in CF still.
14 month countdown
Just from looking at that video, that looks like at least 65 speed. I don't know that for a fact, just my uninformed opinion.
And he's not in CF because we have Ender there. That is the only reason.
The difference between a 60 speed and 55 speed is 0.05 seconds from home to 1st. We are criminally underrating Acuna here guys.
Not necessarily true regarding speed and CF. I'm guessing the Braves have him the corner more because the presence of Inciarte than a lack of speed.
Lol ok you guys are right. They misgraded his speed.
We can't be content with Acuna being in the running for top prospect, we have to pimp him even more than that haha.
I'm accepting any and all leave the board bets anyone else is ready to make to back up their amazing knowledge.
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True. On the Acuna video, he makes contact with about 12.5 seconds left and slides into 3rd with about 1.5 seconds left. And I found a Robles triple where it looks like he's into 3rd at right about 11 seconds. But that's not nearly precise enough to determine much.
I'd be curious to know his home to 3rd time. Billy Hamilton, who realistically is like an 85 on the speed scale, has the statcast record for a triple at 10.45 seconds.
Robles has 16 steals in 23 attempts. 69.5%.
Ronald has 35 steals in 52 attempts. 67.3%.
Neither are 80 speed, which is Billy Hamilton, who has stolen 44 bags at an 86% clip this year.
Is that statistically significant enough/reliable to say Robles is faster, given difference in catcher arms, etc.?
Seems any difference is negligible to me, so they should be rated the same. It would be like arguing Judge doesn't have Stanton power if Stanton hits 2-3 more HR this year.
Yeah, that isn't how speed grade is measured.
You are also confusing raw power with game power.
14 months can't get here soon enough.
Why can't we have a simple discussion about acuna without you resorting to board bets and being condescending towards posters? It's absolutely possible they misgraded his speed, frankly the scouts all had Acuna ranked in the low 60s-100s at the beginning of the year - and now he's a top-10 guy. So clearly they had him 'misgraded' not sure why you think that's such a homerish thing to say. I think the scouting community in general is still playing catch up a little bit with Acuna.
except Longenhagen who had Acuna pegged as a 55 FV and #35 overall yet some seem to be upset with his grade on him. Seems the rest of the community is playing catch up though. Acuna will be top #10 once he does his update after the trade deadline.
Preacher (07-29-2017)
If Acuna isn't Top 5 in FGs update we will have a legitimate beef I think.
I think sickels may have bumped him up right before the season as well, said he had a source that Acuna's power was legit. IIRC
I still think overall people are playing catch up a little bit, and I think his speed has been overlooked slightly.
Yes, I am upset with Ronald at #35 with guys like Robles, Swanson, Crawford, Eloy, Meadows, etc. ahead of him.
Talked to a scout who told me Vladdy Jr. is a better prospect than Ronald if he stays in LF but if Vladdy moves to 1B, it's really close.
He sees Ronald as more of a .280 hitter. Says his approach has gotten better this year.
I asked him if Ronald could be a 30/30 guy.
He said yes. In terms of likeliness, he rated it like this: 30 SB > 30 HR > .280 average.
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