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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugfan View Post
    I think he'll end up being a good reliever. Don't think his
    Overall stuff and command will be enough to be a decent starter. His fastball will probably only sit in the 90-92 range as a starter. Doesn't seem to have great movement on it either. His curve is very impressive and it probably is a 60-65.
    His fastball might tick upwards a bit. Hard to believe he was billed as a mid 90s guy all through the minors if he can't run it up there even early. I wonder if he is backing it off for some command to start.

    I'm hoping he develops into a useful back end guy. That's always been about his ceiling. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    His fastball might tick upwards a bit. Hard to believe he was billed as a mid 90s guy all through the minors if he can't run it up there even early. I wonder if he is backing it off for some command to start.

    I'm hoping he develops into a useful back end guy. That's always been about his ceiling. Will be interesting to see how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I made a similar post on Sims here:

    http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7186

    His stuff was a bit worse his 2nd start. I don't think his repertoire will work in an MLB rotation.
    I've put my take on him since Rome. Better mentality, but needs work to pull it off as a SP. I truly think he'll have to be a reliever where if he throws strikes he can be very good in spurts..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I made a similar post on Sims here:

    http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7186

    His stuff was a bit worse his 2nd start. I don't think his repertoire will work in an MLB rotation.
    Missed this. TY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    His fastball might tick upwards a bit. Hard to believe he was billed as a mid 90s guy all through the minors if he can't run it up there even early. I wonder if he is backing it off for some command to start.

    I'm hoping he develops into a useful back end guy. That's always been about his ceiling. Will be interesting to see how it goes.
    "Dialing it back a bit for control" is exactly the same excuse folks used for Newk not throwing as hard as advertised. Now Newk doesn't have control OR a 97 MPH heater.

    Now we are going to use the same reasoning for Fried? Seems silly to keep saying the same erroneous statement over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    "Dialing it back a bit for control" is exactly the same excuse folks used for Newk not throwing as hard as advertised. Now Newk doesn't have control OR a 97 MPH heater.

    Now we are going to use the same reasoning for Fried? Seems silly to keep saying the same erroneous statement over and over.
    Newcomb up to about 94 on his FAv per fangraphs, which seems about like what he was billed.

    I do not recall a lot of talk other than the hot gun game about his throwing a whole lot harder than that.

    Sims for his entire career has been talked about as having a bigger fastball than 90-92. Maybe he's just not throwing his flatter pitch. I don't know. It's unusual though.

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    In reference to guys stuff (velocity, spin rate, .etc) in majors vs. minors, it's very important to keep in my that the balls are different. A la, why MLB pitchers are allowed to use MLB baseballs on rehab assignments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    "Dialing it back a bit for control" is exactly the same excuse folks used for Newk not throwing as hard as advertised. Now Newk doesn't have control OR a 97 MPH heater.

    Now we are going to use the same reasoning for Fried? Seems silly to keep saying the same erroneous statement over and over.
    Except Newcomb has gotten up to 97 in the majors.

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    Almost every prospect I can remember did not throw as hard as advertised. Whatever the scouting reports say take 2-3 mph off and thats what I expect to see when they get to the majors.
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    I really do not get why they don't use the same ball. That to me seems dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maddux_cy's View Post
    I really do not get why they don't use the same ball. That to me seems dumb.
    Yeah. It's a pretty noticeable difference for the guys who are getting their first callup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maddux_cy's View Post
    I really do not get why they don't use the same ball. That to me seems dumb.
    I'm guessing cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    I'm guessing cost?


    Seems a small price to pay to develop your prospects properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maddux_cy's View Post
    Seems a small price to pay to develop your prospects properly.
    I'm not sure who pays for the balls at the minor-league level, but I assume—since this isn't just one/some teams, but league-wide—that the leagues purchase and provide them. They operate with very different budgets than major-league teams.

    But I'm not arguing for using different balls between levels, just listing a potential reason why.
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    Using a different ball between the minors and majors has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard in baseball. No wonder some of these guys come up and struggle for awhile.

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    Enscheff, excellent analysis. Thanks for your work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    I'm guessing cost?
    I know it is a lot of baseballs, but what would the difference in cost really be? Serious question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I know it is a lot of baseballs, but what would the difference in cost really be? Serious question.
    I assume MLB baseballs are not just different, but better. I'm assuming that a requirement of being better is that they are costlier. I assume someone has done a cost-benefit and decided minor league games and players are not worth the added cost-per-ball (and, remember, there are substantially more minor-league players than MLB).
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    Other teams have prospects come up and somehow throw harder than expected. Mets come to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    Enscheff, excellent analysis. Thanks for your work.
    Seems like a changed man lol...in all seriousness Enscheff offers more insight and analysis than just about anyone on here minus when things get nasty which I haven't seen much of at all since his return from purgatory

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