And states can and do still own slaves. Private citizens just cant own slaves. They have to form corporations and pay the state to loan them slaves. Most of those corporations are made up of rich white men with law enforcement backgrounds and the slaves are disproportionately black, but I am sure thats just a coincidence.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
thought i'd give this old thread a bump in light of today's events in Charlottesville
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
They should've given everyone sledge hammers. The way they treated the statue in the removal, like it was robin's nest full of eggs, was just another insensitive display of their lack of compassion.
FFF - BB, BB, 2B, HR, 2B, HR, 1B, BB, BB, 1B, BB, BB, HR
By Sabrina Tavernise
Sept. 8, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET
After more than a year of legal wrangling, the nation’s largest Confederate monument — a soaring statue of Robert E. Lee, the South’s Civil War general — will be hoisted off its pedestal in downtown Richmond, Va., on Wednesday morning.
The Lee statue was erected in 1890, the first of six Confederate monuments — symbols of white power that dotted the main boulevard in Richmond, the former capital of the Confederacy. On Wednesday, it will be the last of them to be removed, opening up the story of this city to all of its residents to write.
“This city belongs to all of us, not just some of us,” said David Bailey, who is Black and whose nonprofit organization, Arrabon, helps churches with racial reconciliation work. “Now we can try to figure out what’s next. We are creating a new legacy.”
The country has periodically wrestled with monuments to its Confederate past, including in 2017, after a far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., touched off efforts to tear them down — and to put them up. Richmond, too, removed some after the murder of George Floyd last year, in a sudden operation that took many by surprise. But the statue of General Lee endured, mostly because of its complicated legal status. That was clarified last week by the Supreme Court of Virginia. On Monday, Ralph Northam, the state’s governor, who had called for its removal last year, announced he would finally do it.
Its removal, scheduled for Wednesday morning, will be the end of the era of Confederate monuments in the city that is perhaps best known for them. Monument Avenue, the grassy boulevard where many of them stood, was a proud feature of the city’s architecture and a coveted address. But in recent years, as the city became more diverse, demographically and politically, more of its residents began to question the memorials. Now, as the last statue is taken down, many people interviewed in this once conservative Southern city said that they might not have agreed in past years, but that now their removal felt right.
“I’ve evolved,” said Irv Cantor, a moderate Democrat in Richmond, who is white and whose house is on Monument Avenue. “I was naïvely thinking that we could keep these statues and just add new ones to show the true history, and everything would be fine.”
But he said the past few years of momentous events involving race, from the election of the first Black president, to the violence in Charlottesville in 2017, to the killing of Mr. Floyd last summer and the protests that followed, showed him that the monuments were fundamentally in conflict with fairness in America.
“Now I understand the resentment that folks have toward these monuments,” said Mr. Cantor, who is 68. “I don’t think they can exist anymore.”
The battle over Civil War memory is as old as the war itself. At its root, it is a power struggle over who has the right to decide how history is remembered. It is painful because it involves the most traumatic event the nation has ever experienced, and one that is still, to some extent, unprocessed, largely because the South came up with its own version of the war — that it was a noble fight for states’ rights, not slavery.
The violent rally in Charlottesville, and the murder of Mr. Floyd ignited the most recent public conversation. And in some ways, the needle seemed to move: Across the country last year, Confederate statues were either torn down by protesters or removed by the government. Americans surged through towns and cities, demanding racial justice and a more truthful version of history. But resistance came too, and most recently has taken the form of a sprawling debate over critical race theory, which argues that historical patterns of racism are ingrained in law and other modern institutions, and what version of America’s story is told.
Perhaps no city better represents America’s messy moment on race than Richmond. It is marked by profound racial inequalities, the result of generations of discrimination, in which Black residents’ votes were diluted and Black homeowners could not get loans. But decades of reconciliation work going back to the 1990s made the city more receptive than many in the South to removing its Confederate monuments, those who did the work argued.
“Richmond has come a long way,” said the Rev. Sylvester Turner, pastor at Pilgrim Baptist Church in the Richmond neighborhood of East View, who has worked on racial reconciliation in the city for 30 years. “We’ve begun to peel back the scabs. When you do that, you experience a lot of pain and a lot of pushback, and I think we are in that place. We are dealing with a lot of the unhealed wounds that are beneath the surface.”
Even so, the monuments were at the heart of Richmond’s identity and were backed by powerful residents, and the fact that they came down seemed to surprise almost everybody.
“If you would have told me that the monuments were going to go down, I would have thought somebody would blow up Richmond first before anyone would have let that happen,” Mr. Bailey said. “I think it’s a modern-day miracle.”
What is left is a city littered with empty pedestals, a kind of symbol of America’s unfinished business of race that is particularly characteristic of Richmond. That landscape — and the political upheaval that has come with it — has brought a backlash too.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Great! I’m sure this will make the rising unemployment for African Americans under the Biden regime palatable.
Racism solved!
Natural Immunity Croc
Pretty sure unemployment has dropped since Biden took over.Originally Posted by thethe
;)
That tends to happen when states end the unemployment bonus money.
Thus the wink, obviously the numbers are all an illusion. It’s just also silly for thethe to talk about unemployment rates under Biden when the numbers don’t support it.
Tapate50 (09-08-2021)
Look at the august data.
Trends are positive for almost everyone but black people.
Like Obama this recovery has been absolutely brutal. Should have been a massive boom but the covid crazies that run the nation are stifling everyone.
Natural Immunity Croc
Is unemployment in this group higher or lower since Biden took office? You can’t tout rising unemployment rates under Biden when it’s gone down. Again, there are obvious reasons, but it’s dishonest to say something that has fallen over 8 months is actually rising.
The most recent numbers show rising unemployment in a time when unemployment should be massively decreasing. Coupled with the stagflation we are seeing as well as Jim Crow medical laws and times look bleak for blacks people in America.
But luckily a statue was taken down. All better!
Natural Immunity Croc
Why did you change the subject.?
The subject being you sturg and the boys argued viamently that the statues must and will stay for reasons rooted in Jin Crow philosophy
Your opinion from Charlottesville Tikiboi Riots was wrong.
But sure the 2 of you keep on declaring you are right in the face of conflicting facts.
Fact is, the future sees you and your antiquated mind set/ world view in the rear view
Yes we were wrong according to your consistently wrong world view.
These empty gestures do absolutely nothing for black people. But it’s common practice for the left to do nothing for them but just pay lip service.
Natural Immunity Croc
The future where you support policies that eliminate 70% of black people from participating in society?
Natural Immunity Croc
Wrong on who's account?
Yours??
Not an empty gesture at all to the 10 year old child of color that sees celebration of a war to maintain enslaving people resembling his/her family?
This statue is a monument to the eliminating 100% of POC from society.
Empty gesture to mask that your policies hurt black people.
Wrong by any measure. You are a running joke in this forum for how much false information you believe.
Natural Immunity Croc
Hahahahahahahahaha
Taken straight from Joy Reid’s mouth.
Natural Immunity Croc
again you change the subject.
The only thing Joy Reid might have to do with this is she may have been that 10 year old
......
Please stay on topic.
Topic being the monument came down
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
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