Start the season over and This team would lose 100 easily. I'm struggling to see improvement. Our milb guys are rushed, then look terrible when they are called up. ive been posi-brave through the rebuild, but like natural erosion the positivity is weathering away
Yeah.
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Welcome to the dark side
Let's make it a true rebuild and unload Fred and Julion.
Forever Fredi
Too late for thatOriginally Posted by Forever Fredi
If they are going that route they should probably cut bait with that middle infield duo while they are are it.
Right. They have done nothing to go all in on 2017.
They probably won't on 2018 either.
Good!! We still need all the high end talent we can get. We rushed the rebuild and brought in vets. Most of the MLB ready talent from trades either bombed or are just now beginning to contribute. Next year is really the first year we should see "some" fruits of the rebuild. I expect us to be somewhat better next year. This year was ALWAYS about smoke and mirrors because of the new ballpark. Anyone that really thought we were contenders were just smoking the fan pipe lol. 2019 was really always the target date to compete...the Braves just wouldn't admit it.
I'm still not understanding all the "rushing the rebuild" comments.
I think people felt the FO kept overselling 2017 as being the year we'd compete because of the new stadium and wanting people to fill the seats. Many feel that was the reason we rushed Dansby and when he struggled this year we sent him to AAA to work on some things and he looks to have somewhat improved after his AAA stint.
Forever Fredi
Of course they're gonna oversell it. It's a new stadium with a cash cow connected to it. Yes, promoting Dansby early was a bone thrown to fans to sell more jerseys and tickets. That's business.
It just seems "rushing the rebuild" is the rallying cry.
We didn't trade top prospects or sign long term free agent contracts. That's what I would consider rushing the rebuild.
The thought of this team winning 85 games is and always was a thethe level pipedream. They just aren't anywhere close to it and 2-3 tweaks/roster improvements aren't making up that difference in 1 year unless we somehow acquire Harper, Trout, and Kershaw.
Maintain the status quo and develop guys. Hopefully win 5-10 more games in 18 than we will in 17. If by then we are projected at within 5-10 games of reasonably discussing playoffs, look to free agency.
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
What do you call the Kemp contract? What about the Markakis contract? How about taking a lesser return for Kimbrel so there was freed up money for 2017? The HO trade? All done to win more games in 2015-2017...and how did that turn out?
The Braves are rebuilding and should be relying on young players, and yet they have gotten the least amount of production in baseball from rookie level players, and 2nd to last from players in their 1st-3rd seasons since 2015:
https://www.talkingchop.com/2017/8/2...ayer-struggles
How anyone can see the results the Braves have gotten from young players and not be a little unsettled is a sure sign of just how blindingly pozzy they are.
Last edited by Enscheff; 08-21-2017 at 11:38 AM.
They would need to sign three quality pitchers.
Probably. It's best to sit back another year and see what we have. You don't lose anything by winning 72 games instead of 78.
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
Invert record vs. Phillies and overalll outlook improves substantially.
At some point you have to start trying but I agree. I'd be looking at short term deals again.
In general, most of our big trades have been average to bad. We have (to this point), drafted well. That is the life blood of this rebuild. Bottom line....even with the bone head HO trade...we are further along if so many of the prospects we traded for didn't bomb out or under achieve.
We are still ok if we stay the course. A lot of talent will be up between 2018-2019. I just hope they don't panic and trade away prospects that are almost ready at this point. They have waited this long...might as well see it thru.
While Enscheff is on the negabrave side when it comes to prospects (many of the first prospects like Rio and Jace were not expected to be much)...he is dead on about signing and trading for vets like Nick and Kemp. That money should have absolutely been tied up in one year "prove it" type deals. We were going to be bad anyway.
Phillips is the perfect type of player we need as a vet. Kurt is another great example.without Nick and Kemp, we could have signed some young guys to "prove it" deals and maybe struck gold. I'll just never understand those deals, but maybe they are learning their lesson.
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