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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    He touches 96 on the TV fun a couple times every game. Probably closer to 95 for real though.

    Averages right around 93.
    Interesting point. So the TV gun is 2-3 mph above reality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaGirl View Post
    It may not have been a good idea to call him up money wise (which the Braves don't care about, which y'all can debate if it's good or not they don't), but the performance that Albies has put up at 20 in the major leagues is very credible, especially before roster expansion. Only the really good can do it at this young.
    Oh there's no doubt it's fun to watch Albies now, just like it was fun to watch Swanson last year.

    Won't be so fun when the cost of that fun hits the Braves in the middle of their contention window though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USMA76 View Post
    Interesting point. So the TV gun is 2-3 mph above reality?
    TV gun is usually off by 0.5 MPH, and then rounded up. So a real 93.7 fastball is registered at 94.2 and then rounded up to 95 for the TV graphic. Same way college basketball players have their height reported in the program...add an inch and round up.

    Newk averages 93.3. His real typical range in a game is 91-95.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    TV gun is usually off by 0.5 MPH, and then rounded up. So a real 93.7 fastball is registered at 94.2 and then rounded up to 95 for the TV graphic. Same way college basketball players have their height reported in the program...add an inch and round up.

    Newk averages 93.3. His real typical range in a game is 91-95.
    This discussion aside, until Newk develops a credible third pitch to go with his FB and curve, he's gong to have no margin for error at this level IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USMA76 View Post
    This discussion aside, until Newk develops a credible third pitch to go with his FB and curve, he's gong to have no margin for error at this level IMO.
    Odd thing is he started throwing the change a few starts ago. I haven't been keeping track, but this is the first start in a while I remember him abandoning it again.

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    It is very rare for SPs to have sustained success with only 2 pitches.

    It is very rare for an SP to succeed when walking more than 3.5 per 9.

    It is very rare for 24 year old pitchers who walk 5+ per 9 to improve their command to the 3.5 range.

    The odds are stacked heavily against Newk being a SP. He will likely get 10-20 more starts next year and then be pushed to the BP by the next wave of young pitchers.

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    Oz will only get better from here...

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    Albies almost went oppo for a HR, with his size, my goodness.
    Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.

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    In case you haven't noticed, here's wisler's numbers since making move to pen full time...

    AAA = 6.1 ip 6 h 2 er 2 bb 4 k

    Atl = 5.1 ip 2 h 0 er 1 bb 3 k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    It is very rare for SPs to have sustained success with only 2 pitches.

    It is very rare for an SP to succeed when walking more than 3.5 per 9.

    It is very rare for 24 year old pitchers who walk 5+ per 9 to improve their command to the 3.5 range.

    The odds are stacked heavily against Newk being a SP. He will likely get 10-20 more starts next year and then be pushed to the BP by the next wave of young pitchers.
    So long relief for Newk (and we lose Wisler) or some other scenario?

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    Dansby smoked that ball.

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    Those MIF are gonna be studs for a long time

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    Generous hit call for Dansby, but I'm glad to see his good contact paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Generous hit call for Dansby, but I'm glad to see his good contact paying off.
    I can't imagine that not being changed to a hit and an error once the official scorer comes to his senses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Oh there's no doubt it's fun to watch Albies now, just like it was fun to watch Swanson last year.

    Won't be so fun when the cost of that fun hits the Braves in the middle of their contention window though.
    Albies is a completely different situation from Swanson though, there was no credible reason for Albies to be in AAA at the start of next season (outside of just trying to save money). Albies would have spent an entire season and a half at AAA by that point, so he was always going to be starting the season as the starting 2B unless traded. So his control time being used right now really means nothing (unless he somehow sucks next year and gets sent back to AAA).

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    Is snit showing some intelligence using Ramirez vs top of Rockies' lineup in 7th instead of using him in 8th?

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    Hey let's hope it's JJ in for the 8th!!

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    Nice work by Ramirez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Is snit showing some intelligence using Ramirez vs top of Rockies' lineup in 7th instead of using him in 8th?
    Nah. Snit thought it was the 8th inning. He'll now throw Ramirez out there a second inning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auyushu View Post
    Albies is a completely different situation from Swanson though, there was no credible reason for Albies to be in AAA at the start of next season (outside of just trying to save money). Albies would have spent an entire season and a half at AAA by that point, so he was always going to be starting the season as the starting 2B unless traded. So his control time being used right now really means nothing (unless he somehow sucks next year and gets sent back to AAA).
    Promoting Albies was slightly less dumb than promoting Swanson, so we agree there. Lower the bar enough and all moves are defensible.

    Like I say every time this topic comes up, we will see how happy folks are 5 years from now when both Albies and Swanson each cost $10M-$15M more apiece, or are lost altogether via FA.

    We will see just how much bitching and moaning folks do when they realize a team with a $150M payroll can't afford to make the additions needed to improve a contending team.

    We will see if the same people defending these moves now still think it was worth it when the Braves lose these guys a year early, or have to skimp in other areas of the roster to afford to keep them.
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