Originally Posted by
Southcack77
Harry,
You were indeed upset that the braves didn't completely tear down this team, including trading Freeman and Teheran. And on paper I would agree that might have been a way of better creating a core for the future. I was wrong about trading Freeman but right about trading Teheran. My view was a true target to be good would be beginning in 2018 with the likelihood of being 2019-20. By then, Teheran, even if good, will be finishing control and Freeman will be past his prime.
That future certainly would not have been in 2018, 2019, or probably 2020, but maybe there would have been a few more pieces to work with after that point. Agreed. But that's what it's going to be anyway. The FO tried to short circuit that and lost the gamble. It could have happened but was never a good gamble.
But when you say the rebuild can be saved--- let me just point out again that the Braves still have a top three farm system including a top three individual prospect. By saving the rebuild, I mean if they come to their senses and recommit to the rebuild and abandon this reload BS. Even if they've quit talking reload, their actions still say they are trying to do it. At best, saving the rebuild will result in a competitive delay since they have to shuffle out Kemp and Markakis and Dickey and maybe Teheran so they can free money to get players who could really contribute to being better along with giving appropriate time to the young players development. In any case, the actions thus far have likely shortened the Braves competitive window if it ever arrives.
There are plenty of prospects to come and very little payroll dedicated past 2019. As long as the braves don't screw things ip by committing money to the wrong people they should have the beginnings of a cheap core and a lot of payroll to work with at that point. Sure. Again a clear indicator that the drive to be competitive in 2017 was wasteful and hurtful. The issue you run into with waves of talent arriving circa 2019 and beyond is that the real current talent of the Braves (Freeman, Inciarte) will be in the decline periods of their career by then, on their way closer to FA and not cheap. Part of rebuilding is timing. The FO has completely bungled timing.
They might well screw it up but this is not a process that has reached a dead end. A drowning man drags others down. What I expect is the FO to go all in for 2018 to show progress going with short sighted moves for short term gain. After all, unless you have a job in 2019 and beyond, why worry about 2019 and beyond and if you make it to 2019 then you worry about 2019 then. If you see the Braves make some goofy assed move like trading for a fading and expensive star with no real increase in payroll room then you will know. For instance, if you see a Allard, Fried, Pache trade for Donaldson with no real payroll increase or ability or intention to keep Donaldson then you will know they've punted the rebuild to save their jobs. Don't get me wrong, a Donaldson trade would make the 2018 more competitive and if everything goes just right they might squeeze into a possible WC shot, but unless he's going to be around for 3-4 years, then it's just a panic move.
My least favorite deal is the Kemp deal though it will free payroll for the 2020 season. I can't say Kemp deal without the HO deal. To me it's one long very bad deal sequence. Somebody had a good view of the inside of their backside.
I have respect for the theory of a complete tear down with no concern at all for winning at all for a long long time, but that's not something that was going to happen here, perhaps unfortunately. I dig the extreme thinking i do though. And I understand the need to build illusions for the sake of the new park. It could have been done differently though. No one is perfect and I don't expect the Braves FO to be. I expect there to be errors made. But, the Braves don't appear to have a coherent, logical, useful and stable plan based on reality. The plan thus far appears to be based on wishes, demands, hopes and gambles, few of which have gone the Braves way.