Democratic Policies

[57Brave]

Yesterday I saw a statement from John Kasich that echoed something I hear here from (R) every day.
"The (D) have no policies"
well, that just isn't true

So let's start here :

The Left Has Made Medicare for All a Mainstream, Democratic Policy
By
Eric Levitz

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And then, on Wednesday night, Harris announced that she would co-sponsor Bernie Sanders’s forthcoming bill to establish a single-payer, “Medicare for All” health-care system in the United States.

“All people should have access to affordable health care, and as we talk about moving toward a single-payer system, I think there is certainly energy and momentum toward that,’’ Harris told reporters in Oakland. “Americans are making very clear when they defeated the repeal of ACA … that they don’t want to play politics with their health care.”

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...gle-payer.html

[AerchAngel]

And like Bernie's other lame brain ideas......

Who is going to pay for it? The insurance industry is not going to roll over and take a loss in this endeavour and our treasury can't print invisible money to pay for it. Our health care system has the highest cost in the world, the lawyers, the docs, nurses, admins, building, let alone red tape costs are much more than any other country in the world. Are you going to ask them for a pay cut?

Forget about asking the rich, they will just roll their eyes if you ask them to pay for it.

Just like education, who was going to pay for that, teacher unions would have a fit if you ask for them to take a pay cut.

[57Brave]

By your thinking we would still be trying to figure out how to start a fire with two rocks.

Those are good questions that need to be answered -- and I am sure they will.
When you set goals for your family -- first you decided you wanted Johnny to go to college --- right ?
Then you looked at your significant other and said, "how are we going to pay for this"
From what I've read of you and yours, Johnny did go to college --- right?

You know this stuff
........................

Would teachers unions balk at a pay cut ?
Our only reference is 20-30 years ago. A lot has changed
Starting the conversation and setting the goals is the first step

we may learn we can't afford it == but we won't know if we don't put it on the table

[AerchAngel]

No' argument from me there.

The way you put it out there that means they have a plan. I would love to hear it but at this time it is not possible because lawyers will not want to give up their cash cow, docs will not take pay cuts, nor will nurses. The business that makes a lot of money off of hospital equipment don't want to either. You will have to grease a lot of palms to even get one foot, well a crack in the door before you get anywhere.

[57Brave]

Teddy Roosevelt first proposed the idea.
That is why ACA is/was so monumental === they got something across the line
100 years

[AerchAngel]

And we would have the European model right now if he done it then but it would have been hard to keep the lawyering up part out of it though. We have sharks in the US unlike Europe that are very litigious compared to anywhere else.

Not possible now because people with money want to keep it and will not sacrifice their bottom line and that goes from the cleaning lady/janitor up to the Insurance CEO/Lawyer.

[AerchAngel]

By your thinking we would still be trying to figure out how to start a fire with two rocks.

Those are good questions that need to be answered -- and I am sure they will.
When you set goals for your family -- first you decided you wanted Johnny to go to college --- right ?
Then you looked at your significant other and said, "how are we going to pay for this"
From what I've read of you and yours, Johnny did go to college --- right?

You know this stuff
........................

Would teachers unions balk at a pay cut ?
Our only reference is 20-30 years ago. A lot has changed
Starting the conversation and setting the goals is the first step

we may learn we can't afford it == but we won't know if we don't put it on the table

As for college, only have one she is 24 but she lives over seas and the only thing I had to pay for was her private school. She studied hard enough to receive an equivalent of an internship so her college was free as she works for the company that SPONSORED her.

Would not be a bad idea over here but we have way too many students and not enough jobs to do this.

[57Brave]

As for college, only have one she is 24 but she lives over seas and the only thing I had to pay for was her private school. She studied hard enough to receive an equivalent of an internship so her college was free as she works for the company that SPONSORED her.

Would not be a bad idea over here but we have way too many students and not enough jobs to do this.

problem then is there is no coordinated education system.
Try to finding 21 year old plumbers/electricians/carpenters/brick layers etc etc etc.
Where I live the vast majority don't speak English which to me isn't a problem but to one out of work with no training -- yeah that is a problem

In stripping the unions we have stripped the apprenticeship programs that manned our trades for generations after the Great Depression.
Then (R) stripped funding for job training. So yeah, we have an over abundance of History teachers -- where else are they going to go ?

[AerchAngel]

problem then is there is no coordinated education system.
Try to finding 21 year old plumbers/electricians/carpenters/brick layers etc etc etc.
Where I live the vast majority don't speak English which to me isn't a problem but to one out of work with no training -- yeah that is a problem

In stripping the unions we have stripped the apprenticeship programs that manned our trades for generations after the Great Depression.
Then (R) stripped funding for job training. So yeah, we have an over abundance of History teachers -- where else are they going to go ?

You have to be someone devoted to even go into teaching History. Any student today need to go to field that pays and that is abundant but that is on them if they want to be a teacher knowing that the income is not that great - for that matter anywhere in the world unless you are a professor.

No one strip the unions of their apprenticeship programs they did it themselves to save money. Trump is actually doing something about that and Obama sponsored for that as well.

We are hurting for workers here in Wisconsin and here in this city. If you grad here at the university you pretty much guarantee a job here or in Minneapolis...if you can brave the cold.

[57Brave]

Death is a part of life. When you experience it at a young age you realize that.

We the people do not have an obligation to ensure that everyone lives until a certain age.

What a short sighted amoral statement.

Life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[thethe]

What a short sighted amoral statement.

Life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Life does not mean long life.

Liberty means not unfairly burdening individuals because of the needs of others.

Happiness does not mean long life.

Again - When you learn that life isn't always meant to be long at an early age you don't have a utopian view of everyone should live forever.

[Julio3000]

Just as an aside, there are policy proposals for Medicare-for-all-type sp programs. Rep Pete Stark's AmeriCare proposal dates back to at least 2007.

[Hawk]

Single-payer is the right idea. Obviously, how we get there (read: financing and legislation) is another story entirely. But I think it can be done and I think it could be a winning issue for Democrats.

Having Kamala Harris co-spearhead the policy initiative is predicably idiotic tho.

[57Brave]

why idiotic ?

[57Brave]

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Immigration

where to friggin start ?

2016 platform:

The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security. People should come to the United States with visas and not through smugglers. Yet, we recognize that the current immigration system is broken.

More than 11 million people are living in the shadows, without proper documentation. The immigration bureaucracy is full of backlogs that result in U.S. citizens waiting for decades to be reunited with family members, and green card holders waiting for years to be reunited with their spouses and minor children. The current quota system discriminates against certain immigrants, including immigrants of color, and needs to be reformed to the realities of the 21st century. And there are real questions about our detention and deportation policies that must be addressed.

Democrats believe we need to urgently fix our broken immigration system—which tears families apart and keeps workers in the shadows—and create a path to citizenship for law-abiding families who are here, making a better life for their families and contributing to their communities and our country. We should repeal the 3-year, 10-year and permanent bars, which often force persons in mixed status families into the heartbreaking dilemma of either pursuing a green card by leaving the country and their loved ones behind, or remaining in the shadows. We will work with Congress to end the forced and prolonged expulsion from the country that these immigrants endure when trying to adjust their status.


I wanted to emphasize DACA but Friday (R) congressional leadership split with Trump and now publicly support Obama's program
Good for them

[57Brave]

We will fight to end federal, state, and municipal contracts with for-profit private prisons and private detention centers. In order to end family detention, we will ensure humane alternatives for those who pose no public threat. We recognize that there are vulnerable communities within our immigration system who are often seeking refuge from persecution abroad, such as LGBT families, for whom detention can be unacceptably dangerous.

We reject attempts to impose a religious test to bar immigrants or refugees from entering the United States. It is un-American and runs counter to the founding principles of this country.

Finally, Democrats will not stand for the divisive and derogatory language of Donald Trump. His offensive comments about immigrants and other communities have no place in our society. This kind of rhetoric must be rejected.

[thethe]

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Immigration

where to friggin start ?

2016 platform:

The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security. People should come to the United States with visas and not through smugglers. Yet, we recognize that the current immigration system is broken.

More than 11 million people are living in the shadows, without proper documentation. The immigration bureaucracy is full of backlogs that result in U.S. citizens waiting for decades to be reunited with family members, and green card holders waiting for years to be reunited with their spouses and minor children. The current quota system discriminates against certain immigrants, including immigrants of color, and needs to be reformed to the realities of the 21st century. And there are real questions about our detention and deportation policies that must be addressed.

Democrats believe we need to urgently fix our broken immigration system—which tears families apart and keeps workers in the shadows—and create a path to citizenship for law-abiding families who are here, making a better life for their families and contributing to their communities and our country. We should repeal the 3-year, 10-year and permanent bars, which often force persons in mixed status families into the heartbreaking dilemma of either pursuing a green card by leaving the country and their loved ones behind, or remaining in the shadows. We will work with Congress to end the forced and prolonged expulsion from the country that these immigrants endure when trying to adjust their status.


I wanted to emphasize DACA but Friday (R) congressional leadership split with Trumps and now support Obama's program
Good for them

Giving a pathway to citizenship is not a support of legal immigration. It gives preference to a group of people over the rest of the world. The same with DACA. Why should we reward people who committed crimes?

[thethe]

That is silly.

you just finished telling us that a drug takes $14.9B to get to manufacture -- to my mind that is not the definition of "working"

You never answered --- are you invested the pharmaceutical industry ?

Ground breaking advances are expensive. You think these things come easy?

[sturg33]

Ground breaking advances are expensive. You think these things come easy?

Yeah he does.

This is the same dude who wants to give FEMA billions of dollars after they made motor homes for an avg cost of $500K

[sturg33]

Ground breaking advances are expensive. You think these things come easy?

Remember, miracle drugs will be discovered out of the goodness of people's hearts... costs be damned