Global Events & Politics Überthread

[sturg33]

They should be looking for policies that get them out of this predicament of having to choose between lockdowns and millions of deaths plus the collapse of a healthcare system that is not robust under the best of circumstances. And vaccines (the ones killing all the people in this country according to you, thethe and the rest of the gang) is the best way for them to get out of it.

Ill ask a third time and assume you won't answer a third time.

You were once very much on record.approving china's zero COVID policy

Do you still? If not, why?

(I am aware you are unwilling and unable to answer)

[Garmel]

sounds like an excuse to me

but hey Justin Trudeau is a bad man

It probably saved another riot from happening considering the night before was a war zone there.

BOOHOOHOO!!!! TRUMP IS SO MEAN!!!!!

[thethe]

They should be looking for policies that get them out of this predicament of having to choose between lockdowns and millions of deaths plus the collapse of a healthcare system that is not robust under the best of circumstances. And vaccines (the ones killing all the people in this country according to you, thethe and the rest of the gang) is the best way for them to get out of it.

Screw human rights!

THe equation says to lock people down in their homes!!!

"Oh, the future costs? NAH, don't worry about that!!!"

[sturg33]

It probably saved another riot from happening considering the night before was a war zone there.

BOOHOOHOO!!!! TRUMP IS SO MEAN!!!!!

He got more upset about trump's walk through Lafayette park than he did Tradeau freezing the bank accounts of protesters.

It is astounding what the academics believe

[nsacpi]

Ill ask a third time and assume you won't answer a third time.

You were once very much on record.approving china's zero COVID policy

Do you still? If not, why?

(I am aware you are unwilling and unable to answer)

If you can show me the post where I expressed "approval" of their policy I'll be happy to address it.

[sturg33]

If you can show me the post where I expressed "approval" of their policy I'll be happy to address it.

I have re posted it several times.

[nsacpi]

I have re posted it several times.

Sowwy u will have to do it again.

[sturg33]

Sowwy u will have to do it again.

I can simply ask you a fourth time if you believe china's COVID policies have been reasonable or not.

If not, which of them crossed the line for you, and when?

[nsacpi]

I can simply ask you a fourth time if you believe china's COVID policies have been reasonable or not.

If not, which of them crossed the line for you, and when?

I think if the choice is between lockdowns and millions of deaths the cost-benefit favors lockdowns under certain circumstances. But not indefinitely. You need a plan for pivoting away from having to make that choice. There is s reasonable path China should have taken and can still take to avoid being stuck with having to make that choice. It involves vaccinating its population with the better vaccines that are available.

[sturg33]

I will help your compromised memory

I'm not the one who has advanced ignorant claims about the benign nature of the CCP. About how they don't invade and occupy other countries. At least you've taken to heart some of the history lessons I've generously doled out about Tibet and the Uighurs. And Vietnam (see Sino-Vietnamese War).

If a democratically elected government takes draconian measures to deal with a deadly contagious disease I wouldn't go around crying tyranny AND oppression. The CCP is a government that practices actual tyranny AND oppression. It's efforts to suppress covid do not strike me as an example of that. When everything gets labeled tyranny AND oppression it diminishes efforts to call out actual tyranny AND oppression. (such as the imprisonment of political opposition like Navalny). If you can't see the difference between China and Australia or between Xi and Putin on the one hand and Trudeau on the other I can't help you and I suspect no one can.

That was in response to horrific videos of authoritarian measure happening in China

YOu later doubled down

for some unfathomable reasons lots of older Chinese are unvaccinated

so measures by even an authoritarian regime...even draconian measures of by an authoritarian regime...to save millions of lives are not something I would reflexively criticize...ymmv

You have called their actions "reasonable" countless time. I've posted dozens of videos and policies that are horrific, and challenged you to criticize them. You never once did. Here's just one page of a thread that has a few examples of the absurd tyranny http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/sh...=10797&page=62

so now in Nov 2022 you seem to be changing your tune. I will ask yet again... what made you change your mind, and when?

[nsacpi]

Eh

I stand by those posts

[nsacpi]

Btw...Trudeau is not as bad as Putin

[sturg33]

Eh

I stand by those posts

I know

[nsacpi]

And it ain't the case that "the vaccine is nothing more than a tool for oppression" or that "the vaccine is likely the cause of the new variants"

Of course ymmv

[Garmel]

Btw...Trudeau is not as bad as Putin

True, but a lot of Trudeau's actions aren't acceptable for a Western leader.

[Garmel]

Just imagine if Trump had said what Trudeau did about protesting.

[sturg33]

Not unreasonable, says the lecturer

[sturg33]

Interesting theory

[Tapate50]

Not unreasonable, says the lecturer

Damn that’s amazing.

Unbelievable that’s happening in 2022

[thethe]

BTW, BL was fine with CCPs approach as they were welding shut apartment complexes and starving the Chinese people to death.

Food for thought.