Global Events & Politics Überthread

[thethe]

For further clarity,

This is not the free market at work

I'm sorry for being so naive to not see why this is a better situation

Show me where I’ve supported total government control.

[sturg33]

I’ve said I just want to stop doing business with China exclusively and support American businesses. I’m fine with trade with other nations.

The WTO is an absolute extension of free market because it was pushed by forces that wanted to open more markets so that the can choose cheaper options. And no it wasn’t governments that initiated those deals. They may sign the meaningless pieces of paper but it’s forces much higher than them that made it happen.

So you would ban all business with China.

We would take no imports and we would send no exports.

Can IBM do business in china in your centrally planned economy? They currently have a footprint out there

And why are we only.banning commerce with one communist country? Why not all of them?

As for the WTO, can you explain to me why is it necessary? In a free market, the US can pick and choose who does business with. Now we are governed by a central authority on the matter. That central authority chose to include China

There are no free market forces in this equation

[sturg33]

Show me where I’ve supported total government control.

I see so you pick and choose what we need to allow and not allow.

Gonna need some central planning for that.

I just hope your people are smarter than the current people

[thethe]

So you would ban all business with China.

We would take no imports and we would send no exports.

Can IBM do business in china in your centrally planned economy? They currently have a footprint out there

And why are we only.banning commerce with one communist country? Why not all of them?

As for the WTO, can you explain to me why is it necessary? In a free market, the US can pick and choose who does business with. Now we are governed by a central authority on the matter. That central authority chose to include China

There are no free market forces in this equation

Absolutely zero business with China until the ccp is destroyed. The fallou from this decision would pale in comparison to the long term benefit of free the Chinese people.

[sturg33]

Absolutely zero business with China until the ccp is destroyed. The fallou from this decision would pale in comparison to the long term benefit of free the Chinese people.

Still clarifying.

Can IBM do business in China?

[thethe]

I see so you pick and choose what we need to allow and not allow.

Gonna need some central planning for that.

I just hope your people are smarter than the current people

Yes I determine that not doing business with a communist slave state is a good decision.

[thethe]

Still clarifying.

Can IBM do business in China?

If IBM wants to support a communist dictatorship that’s their decision. If their parts are made in China they aren’t allowed here.

[sturg33]

Yes I determine that not doing business with a communist slave state is a good decision.

Ok so earlier when I said your solution is to centrally plan the economy, better than the current central planners, you said "why do you think that's my solution"

I correctly responded because that is your solution

[sturg33]

If IBM wants to support a communist dictatorship that’s their decision. If their parts are made in China they aren’t allowed here.

Can they sell products to Chinese people?

[thethe]

Ok so earlier when I said your solution is to centrally plan the economy, better than the current central planners, you said "why do you think that's my solution"

I correctly responded because that is your solution

If you think that restricting a communist slave state from being in the world economy is centrally planning while still doing trade with all other nations is an example of the central planning then have at it.

You’re in the side that apparently is ok with the ccp.

[thethe]

Can they sell products to Chinese people?

That’s IBMs decision.

[sturg33]

If you think that restricting a communist slave state from being in the world economy is centrally planning while still doing trade with all other nations is an example of the central planning then have at it.

You’re in the side that apparently is ok with the ccp.

You are incapable of having a disagreement without getting very emotional.

If you think "I'm on the side of the CCP" then there is no helping you

I'm merely pointing out your criticism of free markets is not legitimate. You are currently upset about a centrally planned system. Your proposed solution to that is ALSO a centrally planned system.

Mine would be a free market system

[Garmel]

We do need the eating popcorn emoticon back.

[thethe]

You are incapable of having a disagreement without getting very emotional.

If you think "I'm on the side of the CCP" then there is no helping you

I'm merely pointing out your criticism of free markets is not legitimate. You are currently upset about a centrally planned system. Your proposed solution to that is ALSO a centrally planned system.

Mine would be a free market system

You hide behind “free market” when it really means keeping trade with China.

[thethe]

We do need the eating popcorn emoticon back.

Leftist can’t post anymore apparently so this is all I’ve got to get my fix in.

[sturg33]

You hide behind “free market” when it really means keeping trade with China.

It is apparent to me you are out of good arguments

[sturg33]

That’s IBMs decision.

Ok last question on this

To what extent are you willing to reduce the quality of lives of Americans in order to punish your global enemies (in this case, China)

[thethe]

Ok last question on this

To what extent are you willing to reduce the quality of lives of Americans in order to punish your global enemies (in this case, China)

Since the world would be infinitely better with a free China I’d be willing to change the status quo.

I also don’t subscribe to the idea this would make a material impact in the lives of most people and would actually help people who are locked out of the current economy.

[thethe]

It is apparent to me you are out of good arguments

When your argument continues to be “free market” while we support a communist slave state I’d say the same to you.

[sturg33]

When your argument continues to be “free market” while we support a communist slave state I’d say the same to you.

Yes but my argument is actually, for the 101st time, that current support of a communist slave state is a centrally planned market, not a free one