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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    You really think this is about violations?

    I bet you have a picture of Hans Blix hanging in your living room.
    The question was not who warned there was no there there before invading/occupying another spoke in the Axis of Evil.
    But who are you taking at their word this is a necessary move

    My reading tells me Trump installed people that will tell him what Bibi and the Saudis want him to hear.
    So yeah, the names are important
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    Reading pro and con from around the world,
    I don't understand what this accomplishes!

    any more than what moving the Embassy to Jerusalem accomplished.

    Not looking for an argument just an explanation.
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    Wasn't the original deal completed in an unconstitutional method (shocking I know under Obama)?

    That alone was reason to kill it

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Wasn't the original deal completed in an unconstitutional method (shocking I know under Obama)?

    That alone was reason to kill it
    One of the many reasons but the most obvious one is that even with our misguided kindness of a terrible president Iran continued to kill US soliders.
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    Prisoners released from North Korea and on their way home.

    You guys just don't see it. You soon will....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Prisoners released from North Korea and on their way home.

    You guys just don't see it. You soon will....
    See what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    They were allowed to enrich uranium to a low level before, and it’s not hard to acquire higher levels of enrichment without oversight. C’mon thethe, we went over this

    I hope y’all are ready for a less reasonable North Korea. This is exactly what Bush did to them in the early 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Reading pro and con from around the world,
    I don't understand what this accomplishes!

    any more than what moving the Embassy to Jerusalem accomplished.

    Not looking for an argument just an explanation.
    It shows Iran that we think they’re bad and don’t like that they support terrorism; it shows Israel that we have their back; it shows other nations that the US is unpredictable.

    I think those are the pros of the break but a supporter can enlighten us if there are more that I didn’t mention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don’t think anyone here trusted them, which is why some wanted international observers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Managuarantano's Volunteers View Post
    They were allowed to enrich uranium to a low level before. C’mon thethe, we went over this
    The 'deal' was suposed to serve as a sufficient deterrant for nuclear aspirations. The fact that they were allowed to continue to enrich uranium completely slaps in the face of what the deal was put in place to solve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Managuarantano's Volunteers View Post
    I don’t think anyone here trusted them, which is why some wanted international observers
    With a 24 day window for preparation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    The question was not who warned there was no there there before invading/occupying another spoke in the Axis of Evil.
    But who are you taking at their word this is a necessary move

    My reading tells me Trump installed people that will tell him what Bibi and the Saudis want him to hear.
    So yeah, the names are important
    I'm not relying on people to tell me whether or not Iran is a bad actor. Look to Syria. Look to Palestine.

    The name game (D) (R) is your muck to crawl in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    With a 24 day window for preparation?
    And no access to military facilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The 'deal' was suposed to serve as a sufficient deterrant for nuclear aspirations. The fact that they were allowed to continue to enrich uranium completely slaps in the face of what the deal was put in place to solve.
    You really don't get the oversight/inspection angle of this, do you? Or the difference between reactor-grade and weapons-grade uranium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Wasn't the original deal completed in an unconstitutional method (shocking I know under Obama)?

    That alone was reason to kill it
    It was called a nonbinding agreement and not a treaty, so it was constitutional. Considering what just happened I think non binding agreement was fair

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    You really don't get the oversight/inspection angle of this, do you? Or the difference between reactor-grade and weapons-grade uranium.
    Yeah - Like we got 'real' inspections.
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    Its is absolutely pathetic that you guys are (a) trusting Iran & (b) taking their 'side' in this decision.

    You want to get in bed with that regime? Be my guest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The 'deal' was suposed to serve as a sufficient deterrant for nuclear aspirations. The fact that they were allowed to continue to enrich uranium completely slaps in the face of what the deal was put in place to solve.
    The level of enrichment they had was a sufficient deterrent and could not be used for nuclear weapons quickly and covertly. However, I’m pretty sure it can be enriched quickly and obviously, especially if Russia helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Managuarantano's Volunteers View Post
    The level of enrichment they had was a sufficient deterrent and could not be used for nuclear weapons quickly and covertly. However, I’m pretty sure it can be enriched quickly and obviously, especially if Russia helps.
    So while they are enriching within the legal limits they can become more efficient and specialized in the process. It was a joke of a provision.
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