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    What some charactorize as " socialism".
    Or, a functioning government that works for the people

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    Curious. Was Hillary given the same due process IMPOTUS has asked for in the house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Curious. Was Hillary given the same due process IMPOTUS has asked for in the house?

    I’m not sure. Do you remember anything about A plane?

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    More terrorist scum wiped from the face of the earth.

    Still not tired of winning

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    it's crazy to think a photo of someone near President Obama is trying to be viewed as bad from trump people while he goes around and gets nothing in return for taking pictures with the rulers of countries
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    Guys, it's hard to overstate the gravity of what's happening tonight. The US just killed perhaps the second most powerful person in Iran. Things could go sideways quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Guys, it's hard to overstate the gravity of what's happening tonight. The US just killed perhaps the second most powerful person in Iran. Things could go sideways quick.
    This has been brewing for a long time. Iranians aggression can not be tolerated any longer.

    There is still significant civilian protest and discontent with the iranian government right now so they could not be more vulnerable. Sanctions are crushing them.

    Hard to see how Iran responds with force. For self preservation Iran may stand down
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    This has been brewing for a long time. Iranians aggression can not be tolerated any longer.

    There is still significant civilian protest and discontent with the iranian government right now so they could not be more vulnerable. Sanctions are crushing them.

    Hard to see how Iran responds with force. For self preservation Iran may stand down
    You know what would have been a better idea?

    Not bailing out of the Iran agreement. The Iran Agreement gave more influence to Rouhani over the Ayatollah because it was very popular amingst the people.

    Even when Khomeni gave his "approval" it was nothing more than lip service because the cabinet and people already wanted it.

    We had a great opportunity to move Iran forward but Trump just couldn't resist. Our militaries were conducting operations together against Al Qaeda and ISIS insurgencies in Iraq. There was an opportunity there.

    People think Rouhani and the Ayatollah are heavily aligned but they're not as much as people think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    This has been brewing for a long time. Iranians aggression can not be tolerated any longer.

    There is still significant civilian protest and discontent with the iranian government right now so they could not be more vulnerable. Sanctions are crushing them.

    Hard to see how Iran responds with force. For self preservation Iran may stand down
    A rational person making decisions on economic and political vest interests in Iran would be looking to deescalate right now. Iran might literally not be able to afford to go to war right now. Their economic situation is not good.

    However, Iran is not known for rational leadership making decisions on economic realities.

    This could easily be seen as a major insult to Iran and honor might outweigh rationality.

    There will be consequences. I'm not saying this was the right move or wrong move. But either way, there will be consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chosen One View Post
    You know what would have been a better idea?

    Not bailing out of the Iran agreement. The Iran Agreement gave more influence to Rouhani over the Ayatollah because it was very popular amingst the people.

    Even when Khomeni gave his "approval" it was nothing more than lip service because the cabinet and people already wanted it.

    We had a great opportunity to move Iran forward but Trump just couldn't resist. Our militaries were conducting operations together against Al Qaeda and ISIS insurgencies in Iraq. There was an opportunity there.
    There is no moving forward with the Mullahs in charge. They only understand force.

    Iran used all the money received from the Obama administration to cause disruption throughout the middle east.

    The juxtaposition of the two administrations could not be more defined. Lets see what works better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    A rational person making decisions on economic and political vest interests in Iran would be looking to deescalate right now. Iran might literally not be able to afford to go to war right now. Their economic situation is not good.

    However, Iran is not known for rational leadership making decisions on economic realities.

    This could easily be seen as a major insult to Iran and honor might outweigh rationality.

    There will be consequences. I'm not saying this was the right move or wrong move. But either way, there will be consequences.
    An attack from Iran results in their end.

    The people are not with the Mullahs. A large portion of their military would not fight.

    It would be embarassing.

    That said, I would rather not go to war and just suck them dry through sanctions which would allow a natural overhaul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chosen One View Post
    You know what would have been a better idea?

    Not bailing out of the Iran agreement. The Iran Agreement gave more influence to Rouhani over the Ayatollah because it was very popular amingst the people.

    Even when Khomeni gave his "approval" it was nothing more than lip service because the cabinet and people already wanted it.

    We had a great opportunity to move Iran forward but Trump just couldn't resist. Our militaries were conducting operations together against Al Qaeda and ISIS insurgencies in Iraq. There was an opportunity there.


    You know what would had been better? If Obama had backed the Iranian people when they rose up a decade ago and wanted help but Obama didn’t do anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    An attack from Iran results in their end.

    The people are not with the Mullahs. A large portion of their military would not fight.

    It would be embarassing.

    That said, I would rather not go to war and just suck them dry through sanctions which would allow a natural overhaul.
    We've had sanctions on Cuba for half a century and there hasn't been a natural overhaul.

    The best way to overhaul is to expose the people to free market economics so they can have more of it. Iran was probably the most progressive government in the middle east before we instigated into their politics.
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    This is a real hold your breath moment. I hope this is the one time thethe is actually right.

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