You seem mortally offended that other folks are being lumped in with the "Jews will not replace us" crowd . . . when it was never a secret who those folks were, what they did, or what they espoused.
You can't credibly deny that any more than you can say with a straight face that what was published about Breitbart was "overstated."
Whatever your supposed motivations are, you have to be accountable for the company you keep, right?
Cooky people flock to political events. The RNC/DNC are clearinghouses for the most bizarre people you could ever imagine.
I understand what you are saying, a 'neo-Nazi' planned this protest. But, from my perspective, it seems like that got lost in the shuffle. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm defending a phantom group of people. But at least I'm being very clear about what/who I'm defending.
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Xi Jinping now Chinese leader as long as he wants to be. To be honest they are at an advantage. Our democracy is tearing the country apart. China is making a lot of smart long term decisions.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
I think the bigger picture is that casually dismissing the wn types as merely the lunatic fringe while participating in and subsequently defending their direct actions is normalizing and mainstreaming their goals and beliefs, even if you disagree with them. Shifting the Overton Window--it's something they yammer about a lot. I don't see how the organizers and featured speakers of the march get lost in the shuffle, but ymmv.
As 'merely' the lunatic fringe? There is no other place to put them on the spectrum. That's as far as it goes.
I've "casually dismissed" white nationalist 'types' by correctly classifying them? Lol.
I've 'participated in' and 'subsequently defended' their 'direct actions' despite disagreeing with them? Lol. (and that doesn't even make sense)
The onslaught of narrow-mindedness continues.
So you don't think it's a big deal that people participated, en masse, in an event sponsored, organized, and attended by this lunatic fringe. Which you did, certainly, subsequently defend. But it's somehow narrow-minded to question whether it is corrosive or morally defensible to do so? And you don't think that defending it is normalizing the lunatic fringe, even if you (I mean, with some extreme parsing) personally disclaim them?
I defended an event/cause which I perceive to have been co-opted (to some degree) by extremist groups.
And no, I don't think defending that 'it' is normalizing the lunatic fringe.
I'd humbly suggest that treating these groups as though they were, in any way, relevant (or influential) is far more normalizing than this contortion act you are putting on display.
Well, that's not what you said.
You said that my plotting of them on the lunatic fringe was a casually dismissive gesture.
And, just for the sake of accuracy, which has become irrevocably garbled in this discussion, Jason Kessler (a nominal extremist who was heavily involved in Charlottesville politics) organized this march (not 'them') ... and it came on the heels of a suit by the ACLU and a contentious public debate about the statue and local government. See the Wes Bellamy angle. See David Caron and Isaac Smith.
This thing gained steam over the course of a year. To portray the protest as though neo-Nazis dreamt it up out of thin air is a smoke and mirrors ploy.
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But I'm still waiting on an explanation as to how white supremacists/neo-Nazis/racists propel Trump and Trumpism.
Unfortunately, I get the feeling that it's all going to end in tears and a bunch of name-calling.
Not all the posters featured a list of speakers.
And, let's be honest, most people don't know (or care) who Richard Spencer is.
So, you say Jason Kessler is a "nominal extremist?" Why the qualifier?