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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    WWII and the Cold War taught us how bad ultra-nationalism is, but here come the Trumpers talking about Hong Kong, something they know so little about.

    Do you know why they're protesting? It's because of an extradition bill. People in Hong Kong fear that the bill will lead to more involvement with Chinese extradition.

    Extradition? More like losing all their rights to free speech, open internet, travel etc. but keep thinking this is about extradition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    The economic status of Russia, China and Iran have all decreased drastically since Trump took office.
    More of the same delusions coming from the left.

    China is about to collapse. Another 2 years of this pressure and they will bend the knee yet again to the rest of civilized society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    The economic status of Russia, China and Iran have all decreased drastically since Trump took office.
    If we're going to play this game, China's economy was already declining during the Obama years before the Trump tariffs ever came. Those figures don't lie.

    The sanctions Obama enacted during the Kiev crisis started the spiral of the ruble.

    Iran politically has gotten stronger, as they've become the #1 target for Trump to attack. That gives them way more credibility as a threat than they had before he decertified the deal.

    China has expanded their territory on the unclaimed islands, and now Duterte of the Philippines is their best friend. We see how much they're trying to suppress the Hong Kong protests indirectly.

    North Korea has been given actual photo ops and credibility on the world stage despite all of Trump's play nice and "tough talk".

    Saudi Arabia basically does whatever they want because as long as they buy rooms at Trump hotel, he's going to do things like declare a national emergency to bypass Congress to sell them arms. Also they murdered a US journalist and our Tough Talk POTUS didn't do a damn thing about it.

    As for Russia, I don't have to explain why their position has improved. They basically are being given free reign by Trump to laugh at us and Trump will defend anything they do.

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    Only a fool would think China is about to collapse
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    More of the same delusions coming from the left.

    China is about to collapse. Another 2 years of this pressure and they will bend the knee yet again to the rest of civilized society.
    LMAO China is about to collapse. LMAO.

    You do realize that China's second in the world in Nominal GDP, More than the next 3 nations in the world combined. And their GDP has consistently grown at a rate of around 7%. They'll slow down, because they'll have to. Nature of the beast. US hasn't seen 7% since the 80s but still are the economic driving force of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    The economic status of Russia, China and Iran have all decreased drastically since Trump took office.
    China's nominal GDP growth has been hovering between 6.5% and 7% under Trump. Russia's economy has never been stronger. Russian Unemployment has been dropping and looking

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    LMAO China is about to collapse. LMAO.

    You do realize that China's second in the world in Nominal GDP, More than the next 3 nations in the world combined. And their GDP has consistently grown at a rate of around 7%. They'll slow down, because they'll have to. Nature of the beast. US hasn't seen 7% since the 80s but still are the economic driving force of the game.
    There cyrrency is collpasing. Banks are being nationalized.

    There are signs.
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    “American households will pay about $770 more each year under 25% tariffs the U.S. has imposed on $250B in Chinese goods.

    Consumer costs are likely to rise more if Trump goes thru with 10% tariffs on the roughly $300B in imports not yet taxed.” #TradeWar
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    More than ¾ of farmers think they will bear the brunt of #TradeWar tariffs.

    So far, U.S. farm bankruptcies are up 13% over last year.





    and wondering who picks up the pieces of those banlruptcies?
    Wouldn't by chance be Big Ag that profited from the tax cuts/?
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    Impediments to free trade make us worse off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
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    “American households will pay about $770 more each year under 25% tariffs the U.S. has imposed on $250B in Chinese goods.

    Consumer costs are likely to rise more if Trump goes thru with 10% tariffs on the roughly $300B in imports not yet taxed.” #TradeWar
    You criticizing the tariffs undermines 95% of your other economic "arguments"

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    There cyrrency is collpasing. Banks are being nationalized.

    There are signs.
    Not to a leftist.

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    does anyone think we have a right to protect and defend Hong Kong if China moves their army into Hong Kong for a hostile takeover?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    Impediments to free trade make us worse off.
    Did we have free trade with china?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    You criticizing the tariffs undermines 95% of your other economic "arguments"
    I didnt criticize the tariffs. I dont know **** and never claimed to , about international finance.
    Nor do I think anyone here does. Or, they wouldn't be here discussing international finance
    I can however read and do understand $770 increase in household expenses a year would be/will be to some families crippling


    While we bring China to it's knees

    How is that old saying about "an eye for an eye makes everyone blind"


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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I didnt criticize the tariffs. I dont know **** and never claimed to , about international finance.
    Nor do I think anyone here does. Or, they wouldn't be here discussing international finance
    I can however read and do understand $770 increase in household expenses a year would be/will be to some families crippling


    While we bring China to it's knees

    How is that old saying about "an eye for an eye makes everyone blind"


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    Depending on whatever point you're trying to make, $770 can be crippling or it can be crumbs.

    Funny how that works

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    yeah, #$3900
    .............

    $770 will pay for maybe 2 weeks of daycare for those having to work two jobs.
    I read yesterday youth sport in US are in decline. Not because of video games or laziness but cost.
    $770 will send 2 maybe 3 10 year olds to baseball

    May seem hard to believe but to many Americans $770 is an awful lot of money.
    Certain here if every American household was making $770 from your boy Paul Ryan's tax cuts you'd have graphs and charts in 3 and 4D
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Did we have free trade with china?
    they subsidize some the things they sell us, which makes trade an even greater benefit to the American consumer...we should be sending flowers to the Chinese
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    yeah, #$3900
    .............

    $770 will pay for maybe 2 weeks of daycare for those having to work two jobs.
    I read yesterday youth sport in US are in decline. Not because of video games or laziness but cost.
    $770 will send 2 maybe 3 10 year olds to baseball

    May seem hard to believe but to many Americans $770 is an awful lot of money.
    Certain here if every American household was making $770 from your boy Paul Ryan's tax cuts you'd have graphs and charts in 3 and 4D
    Lol your knowledge of the tax cuts is astounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    they subsidize some the things they sell us, which makes trade an even greater benefit to the American consumer...we should be sending flowers to the Chinese
    They don't let our products sell in their jurisdiction without extreme government intervention.

    To argue otherwise is nonsense.
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