It would be worse than a disaster if not for Stewart and two unexpectedly valuable parting gifts from the ancien regime named Acuna and Albies. Camargo also predates the rebuild.Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry
It would be worse than a disaster if not for Stewart and two unexpectedly valuable parting gifts from the ancien regime named Acuna and Albies. Camargo also predates the rebuild.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
You really don't get much.
It is interesting that the Nats did promote Robles. I would bet he begins next season at AAA, so this likely won't impact has service time in the end. However, it does mean he would have to stay down until almost June. It's probably worth it though if they think he improves their chances of winning in October.
why is this different than an Ozzie promotion. I am not saying this is a good move, but they are adding him to the 40 man roster, they are starting his clock and they are not in a playoff chase, and he is not eligible to play in the post season. Seems silly to promote him now based on what I have learned here.
Coppy
clvclv (09-07-2017)
I hadn't considered his ineligibility for postseason. It does seem rather silly. If he tears his knee in the outfield than you blow a year of service time with a top five position player.
clvclv (09-07-2017)
Because they are contenders and feel he might give them a better chance at winning in the playoffs. Even if he does start the year in the majors next year, it makes way more sense for them to do it than us (assuming we're not just using this September as a showcase, and not planning on starting their clock).
EDIT: I forgot it's after Sept. 1st. My bad.
Last edited by CyYoung31; 09-07-2017 at 03:29 PM.
I think it's a dumb move
How does he improve their chances of winning in the playoffs if he isn't playoff eligible?
I forgot it's after Sept. 1st.
Then it's also potentially a bad move.
Actually, if I understand service time correctly, this is an even dumber move than the Braves potentially starting all of these guys' clocks in a lost year. From what I understand, playoff games do not affect service time. So, if the Nationals were going to do this, they should have done it on September 1st. Then they could have potentially had another weapon for the postseason run, and still could have kept him down at the beginning of next year to keep his clock in tact.
yeah, but would you really want him on your 25 man playoff roster over what you have. I don't think I would have him over what has gotten me this far.
Coppy
I haven't been following the Nats. Are they in contention for a playoff spot?
The Nats can still add him to the postseason roster if he replaces an injured player on the 40 man.
Good rule of thumb....
If clv posts something, it is wrong. Just live by that and you'll be fine.
I was wondering if they would do that. Say Robles just tears the cover off and suddenly Joe scrub comes down with turf toe the last week of the season.
Coppy
Fedde and Robles are promoted to fill in for injured players. Robles was called up because they are down Eaton, Godwin, Harper, and Raburn. Werth has an injured shoulder and is going to be limited. They want a backup CF to try to keep Difo from having to play CF. There other OFers are either poor defenders (Kendrick, Lind), or suck (De Aza, Bautista). The OF right now is De Aza, Kendrick/Lind, and Taylor. Heck, they probably should start Robles.
FWIW, by all indications, there is a good change Robles is a starting outfielder for the Nats next year.
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
All teams have areas they can improve. Robles is the number 4 prospect in all of baseball. It's a good bet that he's at least an improvement over their 4th outfielder at this point. Besides, teams usually carry an extra bat on the bench in the postseason anyway.
I knew about that stipulation, but I forgot to add the disclaimer to my post. I was in the middle of something.
They still could have easily put him on the 40-man 6 days ago though.
clvclv (09-08-2017)
So the acquisition of a future rotation (Wentz, Wilson, Wright, Allard, Soroka and take your pick among Harrington, Walker and, yeah, Gohara) is a different rebuild? Or is it not part of the rebuild because it runs contrary to your argument? Or are all of them overrated? I will say Stewart's incompetence jump-started the rebuild. I will also say that if we don't get Swanson, we don't trade Simmons which would have been fine with me.
I'm not sure I understand. My point is that the rebuild "inherited" a couple very valuable guys. Actually our top 2 prospects. And that it would be clearly a failure without those two guys and the gift trade with Dave Stewart.
We've added a lot of good pitching prospects since the rebuild got started. I like some of them quite a bit. But absent Acuna, Albies and the guys from the Dave Stewart trade, the outlook would be for a very long process before the team would be ready to enter a competitive window.
Last edited by nsacpi; 09-07-2017 at 05:29 PM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
K-Rod is the probably the most notable of these moves. I'm sure it's happened at other points throughout time but never has it had as much of an effect in the playoffs that he did that I can remember.
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