Govt. Shutdown

[bravesnumberone]

Few hours to go. Been watching a little C-SPAN, and it's embarrassing to say the least.

[zitothebrave]

Sad v part is these fools will lead to our credit rating taking another hit

[The Chosen One]

Watching CSPAN and some of these callers have to be plants.

People can't really be this stupid.

[zitothebrave]

Watching CSPAN and some of these callers have to be plants.

People can't really be this stupid.

Well they are watching CSpan

[The Chosen One]

House will pass a clean bill soon.

Just theater for their tantrum.

[weso1]

Will this end the world like the horrific sequestration did??? on pins and needles.

[The Chosen One]

Some of the callers on CSPAN were hilarious. At one point, some guy from Montana called and said we shouldn't raise the debt ceiling, let us go bankrupt tomorrow.

[Tapate50]

Is a budget bill the appropriate venue to demand the pushback of the individual mandate?

I don't have access to the docket going forward so it might be their only shot. It also depends on what your constituents are telling you to do. That would be a novel idea.

[Julio3000]

I don't have access to the docket going forward so it might be their only shot. It also depends on what your constituents are telling you to do. That would be a novel idea.

That's interesting take on public service. It seems to me (again...) that this Congress has no interest in actually doing the work of governing.

This is another problem with heavily gerrymandered districts. Some ideological purity test can end up holding the rest of the country hostage.

Seriously. If you want to defund or delay the ACA, pass a bill to do it, then get it through both houses and get it signed. Oh, is that not going to happen? Then grow up, admit that you lost, and go win some more elections.

[bravesnumberone]

That's interesting take on public service. It seems to me (again...) that this Congress has no interest in actually doing the work of governing.

This is another problem with heavily gerrymandered districts. Some ideological purity test can end up holding the rest of the country hostage.

Seriously. If you want to defund or delay the ACA, pass a bill to do it, then get it through both houses and get it signed. Oh, is that not going to happen? Then grow up, admit that you lost, and go win some more elections.

Disagree with the ACA, but agree with this take. Pass the budget, and if ACA is so bad and detrimental let those who voted for it take the hit come re-election time.

[Tapate50]

That's interesting take on public service. It seems to me (again...) that this Congress has no interest in actually doing the work of governing.

This is another problem with heavily gerrymandered districts. Some ideological purity test can end up holding the rest of the country hostage.

Seriously. If you want to defund or delay the ACA, pass a bill to do it, then get it through both houses and get it signed. Oh, is that not going to happen? Then grow up, admit that you lost, and go win some more elections.

What about the govt subsidy for their health care? That not worth bargaining on?

[Julio3000]

I'd say that was a CYA attempt. Is it worth shutting down the government over? Personally, I'd say no. I'd bet the majority of Americans would, as well.

[Metaphysicist]

If "bargaining" = "shutting down the government," then no.

[sturg33]

The world will end any minute

[acesfull86]

Is a budget bill the appropriate venue to demand the pushback of the individual mandate?

I guess they're using whatever leverage they think they have. I don't believe the Dems are going to be interested in negotiating after the fact.

[50PoundHead]

I guess they're using whatever leverage they think they have. I don't believe the Dems are going to be interested in negotiating after the fact.

That's it in a nutshell. There will likely be changes, perhaps significant ones, to the Affordable Care Act down the road, but I doubt it will ever be completely repealed. It's a high-risk strategy, but then again, most of the people in the House who are pushing the shutdown strategy are in very safe seats and a lot of moderate Republicans are absolutely petrified of primary challenges from the right. It doesn't take a lot to lose an election where the turnout is less than 25%.

[goldfly]

Bernie Sanders: "I'm an advocate of a single-payer national health care system, but it never occurred to me to bring down the United States government and cause pain for millions of workers because I can't get my way."

[Julio3000]

That's it in a nutshell. There will likely be changes, perhaps significant ones, to the Affordable Care Act down the road, but I doubt it will ever be completely repealed. It's a high-risk strategy, but then again, most of the people in the House who are pushing the shutdown strategy are in very safe seats and a lot of moderate Republicans are absolutely petrified of primary challenges from the right. It doesn't take a lot to lose an election where the turnout is less than 25%.

^^^^

Yeah, a midterm election, too. Yikes.

[57Brave]

Just heard the Air Force v Navy game is being cancelled --- if I'd know that ...

[Julio3000]

I guess they're using whatever leverage they think they have. I don't believe the Dems are going to be interested in negotiating after the fact.

I agree. It's not likely to go well for them, though.