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    I didn't criticize her for it. I actually concur with you, she knows the risks, she took them. I will say I am surprised that a suspension was enough to mollify the network sponsors that she suggested a boycott of.

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    Same suspension for same infraction Bill Simmons.

    Both over NFL
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    Trump turned her into a martyr -- what an idiot
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    Rembert Browne‏ @rembert 3h3 hours ago

    i love jemele, because few things are more inspiring than watching someone know they'll probably get punished and doing it anyway -- who's got next
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    ESPN is pathetic. Only suspends people when the bottom line is impacted.

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    Andrew Hawkins‏Verified account @Hawk Oct 8

    Just so we're clear..

    CAN play in NFL:
    Steroid users
    Domestic Abusers
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    Racists

    Cant play:
    Protesters
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-anthem.html

    NFL 'quietly tweaks' its policy on players standing for the national anthem by giving teams the incentive and power to punish the protesters

    A reading of the rule on Monday Night Football revealed a small change to the language of the policy, opening the door for teams to punish protesting players
    The new language didn't appear on the internet until the last two weeks
    Teams can now be docked multiple draft picks if players kneel during the anthem
    The new version of the policy removed language saying that punishment would come from the league office, giving teams the ability to punish players directly
    NFL policy continues to state that players 'should' stand for the national anthem but stops short of saying they 'must' do so

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    http://deadline.com/2017/10/vikings-...pn-1202185363/

    Vikings Win But ‘Monday Night Football’ Ratings Hits Season Low

    Snaring a 7.0 in metered market results, last night’s MNF was down double digits from last week’s Kansas Chiefs’ 29-20 victory over the Washington Redskins. Down 17% in the ratings, that’s actually a regular game season low for the ESPN broadcast game and matches the MM result of the second game of the doubleheader MNF opener on September 11.

    That comes a day after Sunday Night Football also hit a season low with its ratings down too.

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-own...hem-1507653315

    NFL Owners to Discuss Policy on Standing for Anthem

    The National Football League’s owners will discuss next week whether to unilaterally change league policy and require players to stand during the national anthem.
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    “I don’t believe that the anthem per se is something that needs to be collectively bargained,” Lockhart said.

    NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith has said that league official assured him that players who did not stand for the national anthem would not face penalties.

    If the policy is changed, however, players that protest could face discipline from the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    ESPN is pathetic. Only suspends people when the bottom line is impacted.
    When would you have had them suspend Hill?
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    I can’t wait for Dak or Dez to kneel and Jerry has to sweat balls to bench them. And then they either get benched for one drive like Rivera benched Cam for not wearing a tie (that first drive led to an INT thrown by Derek Anderson) or they start losing games and Jerry gIves in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    When would you have had them suspend Hill?
    If not for what she said about trump then not at all.
    Warm feelings guy!

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    https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefte...46218148764153

    ESPN obtained following letter that Roger Goodell sent to NFL teams within past 30 minutes:
    To: Chief Executives/ Club Presidents
    From: Commissioner Goodell
    Date: October 10, 2017
    Re: Fall Meeting/National Anthem
    We live in a country that can feel very divided. Sports, and especially the NFL, brings people together and lets them set aside those divisions, at least for a few hours. The current dispute over the National Anthem is threatening to erode the unifying power of our game, and is now dividing us, and our players, from many fans across the country.
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    Like many of our fans, we believe that everyone should stand for the National Anthem. It is an important moment in our game. We want to honor our flag and our country, and our fans expect that of us. We also care deeply about our players and respect their opinions and concerns about critical social issues. The controversy over the Anthem is a barrier to having honest conversations and making real progress on the underlying issues. We need to move past this controversy, and we want to do that together with our players.
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    Which stil blurs the fact that white police are given carte blanche when dealing with apprehendee's of color




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    So much winning....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    I can’t wait for Dak or Dez to kneel and Jerry has to sweat balls to bench them. And then they either get benched for one drive like Rivera benched Cam for not wearing a tie (that first drive led to an INT thrown by Derek Anderson) or they start losing games and Jerry gIves in.
    I am really curious what the NFL will do as a whole if a large group of prominent players continue the protests. Just who are they willing to lose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    So much winning....
    This is not winning... this is authoritarian

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    This is not winning... this is authoritarian
    It's the people that are winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It's the people that are winning.
    Majority does not equal right

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    As much as this has been dragged into sideshow territory and blurred into a wrongheaded referendum on patriotism, I don't want to lose sight of the fact that this began as a protest about policing and the black community--broadly speaking, as an issue of equal rights.

    I'm fascinated, though, that it has now become to some degree an issue of labor. So, yeah, who are they willing to lose? And how effectively will the NFL be able to enforce restrictions on expressions of social dissent along racial lines with a labor force that is 70% black?

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    For a little context on this all...

    Aug 14, 2016- Colin Kaepernick sits for the national anthem.....and no one noticed
    Aug 20th, 2016- Colin again sits, and again, no one noticed.
    Aug 26th, 2016- Colin sits and this time he is met with a level of vitriol unseen against an athlete. Even the future President of the United States took shots at him while on the campaign trail. Colin went on to explain his protest had NOTHING to with the military, but he felt it hard to stand for a flag that didn't treat people of color fairly.
    Then on on Aug 30th, 2016 Nate Boyer, a former Army Green Beret turned NFL long snapper, penned an open letter to Colin in the Army Times. In it he expressed how Colin's sitting affected him.
    Then a strange thing happened. Colin was able to do what most Americans to date have not...
    He listened.
    In his letter Mr. Boyer writes:
    "I’m not judging you for standing up for what you believe in. It’s your inalienable right. What you are doing takes a lot of courage, and I’d be lying if I said I knew what it was like to walk around in your shoes. I’ve never had to deal with prejudice because of the color of my skin, and for me to say I can relate to what you’ve gone through is as ignorant as someone who’s never been in a combat zone telling me they understand what it’s like to go to war. Even though my initial reaction to your protest was one of anger, I’m trying to listen to what you’re saying and why you’re doing it." Mr. Boyer goes on to write "There are already plenty people fighting fire with fire, and it’s just not helping anyone or anything. So I’m just going to keep listening, with an open mind. I look forward to the day you're inspired to once again stand during our national anthem. I'll be standing right there next to you."
    Empathy and understanding was shown by Mr. Boyer.........and Mr. Kaepernick reciprocated. Colin invited Nate to San Diego where the two had a 90 minute discussion and Nate proposed Colin kneel instead of sit.
    But why kneel? In a military funeral, after the flag is taken off the casket of the fallen military member, it is smartly folded 13 times and then presented to the parents, spouse or child of the fallen member by a fellow service member while KNEELING.
    The two decided that kneeling for the flag would symbolize his reverence for those that paid the ultimate sacrifice while still allowing Colin to peacefully protest the injustices he saw.
    Empathy, not zealotry under the guise of patriotism, is the only way meaningful discussion can be had. Mr. Kaepernick listened to all of you that say he disrespects the military and extended an olive branch to find a peace.
    When will America listen to him?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/o...imes&smtyp=cur

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