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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Majority does not equal right
    I referred to it earlier, but it's worth noting again that pretty much everything that's celebrated as a civil rights landmark today was opposed by a majority of Americans at the time. That's the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Majority does not equal right
    The people spoke by not watching. Nobody was forced to do anything. This is the market economy at work.

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    The reply from the players union ...
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    why are trump supporters ok with trump criticizing McCain for being captured but not ok with peaceful protest? which one is actually disrespectful to veterans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    why are trump supporters ok with trump criticizing McCain for being captured but not ok with peaceful protest? which one is actually disrespectful to veterans?
    Which trump supporters are OK with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The people spoke by not watching. Nobody was forced to do anything. This is the market economy at work.
    I understand... and if the NFL wants to do something about it, then that is their right.

    But if peacefully protesting is now demonized in this country - and Trump is the one with the bullhorn leading that thought - then we have a big problem.

    We can't, on one hand, demonize antifa, and then on the next, demonize players who silently kneel during a song

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Which trump supporters are OK with that?
    i've seen zero vitriol for him saying that. absolutely nothing. for something far more disrespectful and egregious. are you saying he should apologize and do you agree that it was very disrespectful to POWs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I understand... and if the NFL wants to do something about it, then that is their right.

    But if peacefully protesting is now demonized in this country - and Trump is the one with the bullhorn leading that thought - then we have a big problem.

    We can't, on one hand, demonize antifa, and then on the next, demonize players who silently kneel during a song
    The players are using their employers exposure to protest something which a large number of consumers of those services don't agree with. It's not the same thing at all imo.

    I encourage all players to meet together and protes anywhere else they want which is their right. They could even deliver a bigger message by not showing up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    i've seen zero vitriol for him saying that. absolutely nothing. for something far more disrespectful and egregious. are you saying he should apologize and do you agree that it was very disrespectful to POWs?
    Absolutely it was a horrible thing to say. I never once saw praise for this. I'm grateful for anyone who serves their country in any capacity.

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    "You can't discipline somebody for something that is a right they have under the law, whether that discipline be termination or benching or giving a slap on the wrist or writing up in their files they've been a bad boy," Rathke said. "That's just not what they can do when it comes to concerned activities. I know in the modern age people think workers shouldn't have rights, but they still do. This union was offended by those comments. Mr. Jones just got carried away being a rich guy and there's no laws he has to respect."

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    They are working. You don't have the same rights as a private citizen. Unless of course you are willing to face the penalty. I hope the players association tries to sue if a player gets suspended. They will be laughed out of the courtroom.

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    PWorking is a very very vague term.

    Whats the NFL’s official definition of working? When you’re inside the field with the clock running? When you’re in the locker room talking to reporters? When you’re standing on the sidelines for pre-game? When you’re at the bar or club not in uniform?

    whats to stop the NFL owners from suspending players who “peacefully protest” outside of the stadium on an off day because they claim it’s not good for their brand? Since the players are on salary what are their official hours to be considered “working”?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    PWorking is a very very vague term.

    Whats the NFL’s official definition of working? When you’re inside the field with the clock running? When you’re in the locker room talking to reporters? When you’re standing on the sidelines for pre-game? When you’re at the bar or club not in uniform?

    whats to stop the NFL owners from suspending players who “peacefully protest” outside of the stadium on an off day because they claim it’s not good for their brand? Since the players are on salary what are their official hours to be considered “working”?
    I don't think the NFL cares if players organize outside of the facility and protest. I would applaud Americans for engaging in the most important right that we have. However, when you are an employee and performing the key function in your employee agreement then you do not have the same rights you and I have walking down the street in a Saturday evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't think the NFL cares if players organize outside of the facility and protest. I would applaud Americans for engaging in the most important right that we have. However, when you are an employee and performing the key function in your employee agreement then you do not have the same rights you and I have walking down the street in a Saturday evening.
    Gotta love conjecture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Gotta love conjecture.
    Is anything not conjecture in the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Is anything not conjecture in the world?
    Then again the guy in office you support uses and abuses conjecture everyday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Then again the guy in office you support uses and abuses conjecture everyday.
    By far the ideal candidate bit the best we've gotten in a long time to get the country and the world headed in the right direction. That's not a complement but more if an indictment of how bad the last 32 years have been.

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    http://deadline.com/2017/10/eagles-w...bs-1202187779/

    ‘Thursday Night Football’ Ratings Dip As Eagles Win & National Anthem Not Shown
    Yet, with the Eagles vs. Panthers match-up getting a 10.6/18 in metered market results on CBS and NFL Network, perhaps there was some of the once usual NFL audience who choose not to watch at all. Last night’s game was down 5% from last week’s big draw New England Patriots 19-14 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, where all the players stood during the national anthem in part in tribute to the victims of the horrific mass shooting in Las Vegas just days before.

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    Thursday Night Football just isn’t appealing.

    The product is too oversaturated. Monday’s and Sundays is what it needs to stay at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Thursday Night Football just isn’t appealing.

    The product is too oversaturated. Monday’s and Sundays is what it needs to stay at.
    It's always been a bad idea.
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