There are probably a dozen variations that could work. The main structure being Ozuna plus some amount of negative contract value for a package centered around a FV 55 pitcher.
That pitcher might not be Allard, he’s just the one I would prefer to trade. The Marlins may not want Camargo. They might prefer a more MLB ready pitcher in addition to the pitching prospect...like Newk. Who knows, but that’s the framework of how an Ozuna trade would have to work out for the Braves.
Newk's control issues concern me. If you'd prefer to trade Allard over him, that has me concerned for Allard too.
Think newk showed the stuff of a TOR starter. Not ready to trade him. While it would hurt to trade allard you have to give up something.
Allard plus Newk. Allard is more valuable than Newk. I’m guessing the Marlins will want guys who are MLB ready on opening day, so I think guys like Fried, Newk and Camargo may hold value to them.
An Ozuna trade will almost certainly take one of Soroka/Allard as the centerpiece, and I would prefer to give up Allard. Of course, the Marlins may prefer Soroka for the same reasons. Those are the only 2 premium guys the Braves have to offer that are even remotely expendable.
On the flip side, it may be a year early to trade a talent like Allard/Soroka for only 2 years of Ozuna, so this whole idea may be a bit outlandish. Upgrading LF can’t be done without also upgrading 3b, and probably not without upgrading the BP as well. It doesn’t make sense to spend the prospect capital unless the team is pushing all the way towards 85+ wins.
Last edited by Enscheff; 11-26-2017 at 11:46 AM.
Exactly this...
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1:00 Regarding what you think the Marlins *will* do with Stanton: what do you think they *should* do?
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1:01 Offer to eat a bunch of the end of the contract in exchange for better prospects, then hope he opts out and you don't have to eat any of that anyway.
jpx7 (11-29-2017)
I laughed so hard when they have him that contract. Would be amazing if they turn that into a huge positive like that. I would be surprised if Stanton isn't what Matt Kemp is now in 5 years.
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Horsehide Harry (11-29-2017)
Just thinking about Marlins and Stanton.
Obviously Stanton holds a lot of the cards and this could severely limit what the M's are able to do.
But, what if they shifted gears entirely and said we are keeping Stanton but cutting payroll elsewhere. They have some valuable assets that would be worth quite a bit on the open market such as: Yelich, Ozuna, Dietrich, Realmuto, Bour, Straily, Urena, maybe Zeigler.
They've got some contracts that can't be moved under any circumstances: Volquez (TJ), Chen (one of the worst contracts in baseball)
They've got a couple of players with limited value and significant contracts who can't be moved for anything of value and maybe would required compensation going the other way (cash or reduced ask in trade as part of package): Prado, Tazawa, Gordon, maybe Zeigler.
If they moved Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, Bour and Strailey and attached Prado, Tazawa, Gordon and Zeigler, they would cut about $70M of 2018 payroll and a significant amount in years beyond. If they could survive moving all those players but keeping Zeigler, Tazawa and Prado they still cut about $40M in 2018 payroll then would lose another $14 with Zeigler and Tazawa gone after 2018 (Prado has another year, commitment going up by $1.5M to $15M). That would allow them to better maximize the return coming back.
That strategy would put Stanton in the "Dale Murphy" position on a rebuilding team. Then, if you are the Marlins, you ride his contract out until he opts out after 2020 OR, more likely, Stanton changes his tune and allows himself to be traded to virtually anywhere that's a winner. The downside for the Fish would be if Stanton got hurt, maybe a career ending or severely diminishing injury, which leads him to never opt out for any reason or that his performance falls off to the point hwere his value is diminished.
Last edited by Horsehide Harry; 11-29-2017 at 11:53 PM.
I would be incredibly interested in Yelich or Ozuna.
Probably more-so Yelich because the price of a power hitter like Ozuna would just be insane. We'd probably have to take on a contract like Prado, as well.
Lineup construction could go several ways, but Inciarte CF, Albies 2B, Freeman 1B, Acuna LF, Yelich RF, Prado 3B, Flowers C, Swanson SS, Pitcher would be insanely good.
Latest tweet from Morosi claims Panik plus Beede plus Shaw to the Marlins would get Stanton plus $45M to the Giants.
If the money is after the opt out/in this is almost exactly the type of deal I expected to see.
Giants execs meeting with Stanton reps in LA. I imagine this is a good indication a trade is close.
I like it.
Coppy
Yelich and Frazier would go a long way to getting the offense fixed.