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    I️ feel bad for any NL team that gets Stanton and he doesn’t opt out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    They should easily get more than that in an offer. Despite the contract, Stanton still holds quite a bit of value. Reportedly, they are asking for quite a substantial package in exchange for Stanton.
    I think they will get more but not a lot more. If the Marlins want a lot more they will have to take on some of the financial risk and probably make a trade with another team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I️ feel bad for any NL team that gets Stanton and he doesn’t opt out.
    Every team talking to the Marlins has to make an assessment of that risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Every team talking to the Marlins has to make an assessment of that risk.
    At least Boston could DH him if he gets to big to run around or gets more injury prone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I just don't see what the Giants have to offer for Stanton that's all that enticing. I mean I guess having the ability to absorb the entire contract if required, though that would likely put them over the luxury tax threshold right?
    The Marlins are reportedly willing to keep part of his contract: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...s-tuesday.html

    "Miami is said to be open to hanging on to some of Stanton’s contract. Additionally, the team is focused on achieving value rather than on getting young pitching, specifically."

    If I were the Marlins, I would agree to eat a portion of the post opt out contract, banking on the fact that Stanton is likely to opt out. Stanton carries significant surplus value if teams are protected from the danger that he does NOT opt out.

    In exchange, I would demand at least 1 cheap MLB OFer to replace Stanton, and 1 cheap MLB-ready (or nearly ready) SP.

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    I think the Marlins are going to go full rebuild. In which case it would be smart to take on some of the risk of Stanton not opting out to increase the return. If they are doing a full rebuild they would also be smart to focus on value rather than pitching or proximity to the majors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think the Marlins are going to go full rebuild. In which case it would be smart to take on some of the risk of Stanton not opting out to increase the return. If they are doing a full rebuild they would also be smart to focus on value rather than pitching or proximity to the majors.
    Kinda scary to think about how fast they could turn things around if they did...

    1.) Stanton nets them Verdugo, Yadier Alvarez, and Gavin Lux.
    2.) Yelich nets them Moniak, Sixto Sanchez, and Adam Haseley.
    3.) Ozuna nets them Alex Reyes and Harrison Bader.
    4.) Realmuto nets them Ronald Guzman and Yohander Mendez.
    5.) Bour nets them Nick Neidert and Povse.
    6.) Gordon nets them Thomas Szapucki and Thomas Nido.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Kinda scary to think about how fast they could turn things around if they did...

    1.) Stanton nets them Verdugo, Yadier Alvarez, and Gavin Lux.
    2.) Yelich nets them Moniak, Sixto Sanchez, and Adam Haseley.
    3.) Ozuna nets them Alex Reyes and Harrison Bader.
    4.) Realmuto nets them Ronald Guzman and Yohander Mendez.
    5.) Bour nets them Nick Neidert and Povse.
    6.) Gordon nets them Thomas Szapucki and Thomas Nido.
    There's no way Philly makes that trade.
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    Financially, the Marlins need to move the contract. I don't think they have the flexibility now and probably won't later to have a lot of dead money.

    It's an interesting call whether they want prospects or agree to eat contract liability. I think they might be better off having the clean payroll.

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    The first order of business definitely has to be shedding Stanton’s contract and trading Ozuna for legit pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    There's no way Philly makes that trade.
    Maybe not, but that's the kind of package it's going to take to get him. Yelich is the last guy on their list of "need to get rid ofs".
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    There's no way Philly makes that trade.
    There's no way most of those teams make any of those trades. Clv has repeatedly demonstrated zero ability to properly assess trade values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Financially, the Marlins need to move the contract. I don't think they have the flexibility now and probably won't later to have a lot of dead money.

    It's an interesting call whether they want prospects or agree to eat contract liability. I think they might be better off having the clean payroll.
    It is interesting to note the Marlins will be signing a new TV contract almost exactly when Stanton is due to opt out/in. They will almost certainly be able to pay ~$10M per year after Stanton's opt out, especially if doing so gets them a premium package now. Take away the risk associated with Stanton opting in, and suddenly he has $50M-$75M in surplus value over the next 3 years.

    That's exactly how I would play it if I were the Marlins. Something like Alex Reyes plus Grichuk/Piscotty (maybe both) from the Cards.

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    Having the Cards involved is strange to me. They've never been one to get stuck with a bad contract. They either trade a guy away towards the end of his arbitration or let the Pujols and Heywards of the world walk and be someone else's problem. Eventually this will be an overpay for whoever does get him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Having the Cards involved is strange to me. They've never been one to get stuck with a bad contract. They either trade a guy away towards the end of his arbitration or let the Pujols and Heywards of the world walk and be someone else's problem. Eventually this will be an overpay for whoever does get him.
    They may judge that Stanton' s contract is not bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    They may judge that Stanton' s contract is not bad.
    Those lengthy contracts aren't bad in the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Those lengthy contracts aren't bad in the beginning.
    Stanton's contract is only bad if he doesn't opt out. If he opts in, and Miami has agreed to pay a chunk of the post opt out salary, it still isn't a bad contract.

    There are several smart ways a team could acquire Stanton. I wish the Braves were in the position to potentially be that smart team.

    It would be a lot more interesting than waiting on a Peter Moylan signing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Stanton's contract is only bad if he doesn't opt out. If he opts in, and Miami has agreed to pay a chunk of the post opt out salary, it still isn't a bad contract.

    There are several smart ways a team could acquire Stanton. I wish the Braves were in the position to potentially be that smart team.

    It would be a lot more interesting than waiting on a Peter Moylan signing.
    There is no way Stanton opts out. He is owed 218 million after the opt out. He needs to have 3 more season like the past year to earn more than 218 at age 31 IMO. I too wish the Braves could acquire him if the Marlins would eat 8 to 10 million a year after the opt out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JxnMissFan View Post
    There is no way Stanton opts out. He is owed 218 million after the opt out. He needs to have 3 more season like the past year to earn more than 218 at age 31 IMO. I too wish the Braves could acquire him if the Marlins would eat 8 to 10 million a year after the opt out.
    If Stanton produces in 2018-2020 as he is projected to in this article:

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-...iring-stanton/

    He will be projected to produce $258M in value in his age 31-37 seasons. In that case, he will opt out and be looking for something along the lines of $250M-$300M over 7-8 years, especially if he is on a team that isn't contending or he doesn't like for some other reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    If Stanton produces in 2018-2020 as he is projected to in this article:

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-...iring-stanton/

    He will be projected to produce $258M in value in his age 31-37 seasons. In that case, he will opt out and be looking for something along the lines of $250M-$300M over 7-8 years, especially if he is on a team that isn't contending or he doesn't like for some other reason.
    Harper and Machado are going to open some peoples eyes with where salary in baseball truly is.

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