Megathread: Braves lose Maitan, Bae and 10+ plus International Sanctions.

[CyYoung31]

Johnson and Uggla were bad extensions. I would have still signed Melvin to that deal. For most teams signing a 29 year old 3 WAR CF would have shored up CF for the next few years. Not the Braves though.

I would have signed him too, as a general rule, but I think 50poundhead hit the nail on the...umm, head, when he said that mid-market teams should not be signing players to those type of contracts.

[Jaw]

playing what if can drive you crazy

I know its hard to think about because he was such a huge bust, but I keep thinking what if Olivera had been what they thought.

Our infield would look nice going into next year and we would be planning on an outfield of Markakis, Ender, and Acuna without Kemp wasting payroll. We could probably even afford to replace Markakis with an upgrade.

The strategy of targeting an affordable third base stud was so good, they just picked the wrong one.

[GeorgiaGirl]

My ultimate opinion in retrospective was a rebuild was probably necessary, but going full scorched earth was completely unnecessary and now it's come out that it pretty much was on #holierthanthou, we can find better players than the good young players we already have as we're the Braves and we're the best at finding talent!

It's not as dire of a situation as Dave Cameron suggests but at the same time, the Braves went scorched earth unnecessarily, made moves to try to accelerate a full rebuild, and grossly overestimated how quickly the Braves could turn good. They were off by one year, it's likely actually two years (this year and next). If it's played right, my hope would be that next year would be similar to the Red Sox season with all of their kids playing back in 2015 before a leap was made, I don't trust (especially if John Schuerholz wins this power struggle) that it's actually going to happen. They'll try to accelerate things, aggressively desperate to get back to the postseason, and it's going to hurt when it happens.

When if they simply hadn't of tried too hard and went too far with the trades, it's likely the Braves are .500 this year and playing postseason baseball next year.

[thewupk]

I would have signed him too, as a general rule, but I think 50poundhead hit the nail on the...umm, head, when he said that mid-market teams should not be signing players to those type of contracts.

While I would normally agree about mid market teams. With the way player salaries exploded a couple of years after that deal it would have looked like a bargain had he maintained that production.

[Southcack77]

While I would normally agree about mid market teams. With the way player salaries exploded a couple of years after that deal it would have looked like a bargain had he maintained that production.

You tend to think contracts will always turn out cheap if the players keep pace, but that's the whole rub.

I don't think inflation outruns the aging curve most of the time.

[nsacpi]

nothing outrun the aging curve

[Julio3000]

nothing outrun the aging curve

[Enscheff]

I think Newk will still develope into a 4 win pitcher.

Go find a pitcher in the history of MLB that has posted a 4 win season after walking 5 per 9 at the age of 24.

[Enscheff]

While I agree with you, it's not like Coppy was some Gold Standard GM anyway. Of course, if this is some kind of monumental shift away from analytics of any kind back to horse and buggy scouting then that is a bigger problem. But Coppy the individual doesn't concern me.

Agreed. I don't think Coppy was all that great.

However, he was against promoting Swanson early, and I'd be willing to bet any amount of money he was against acquiring Kemp.

That's all I need to know in order to call him better than what's left in the FO.

[The Chosen One]

Agreed. I don't think Coppy was all that great.

However, he was against promoting Swanson early, and I'd be willing to bet any amount of money he was against acquiring Kemp.

That's all I need to know in order to call him better than what's left in the FO.

Interestingly enough Jeff Wren says Olivera deal was all Coppy not Hart. Also seemed to imply Kemp was too.

[thewupk]

You tend to think contracts will always turn out cheap if the players keep pace, but that's the whole rub.

I don't think inflation outruns the aging curve most of the time.

The aging curve will always depend on the player. But comparing two of those extension that were mentioned. Uggla and Melvin.

Melvin signed a 5 year deal as an athletic CF at age 28. Uggla's extension covered his 32-35 age seasons as a big 2B to put it nicely.

One of those is obviously bad from the jump while the other you really wouldn't expect a drop off until the last year or two if at all.

The same holds true today. If you have a chance to sign a FA to fill a position of need then go for the player under 30 as opposed to one over 30 and the reasons are obvious.

[MadduxFanII]

I'd like to suggest that this scandal should be "Coppy-Contra."

[Julio3000]

I'd like to suggest that this scandal should be "Coppy-Contra."

Good Cop/Bad Cop?

[MadduxFanII]

Good Cop/Bad Cop?

Assumes facts not in evidence.

[Julio3000]

Goodfellellas?

Made a couple of successful heists, but lost it all to paranoia, backstabbing, and ill-advised criminality. Also cocaine.

[CyYoung31]

Goodfellellas?

Made a couple of successful heists, but lost it all to paranoia, backstabbing, and ill-advised criminality. Also cocaine.

You're a funny guy.

[BedellBrave]

So Hart wants Ben Cherington, Doug Harris, or Dan Jennings and Suspenders wants Moore. Link

[striker42]

So Hart wants Ben Cherington, Doug Harris, or Dan Jennings and Suspenders wants Moore. Link

I'm pretty much done with Hart. I do not trust his judgment in hiring another GM.

[Hawk]

Goodfellellas. I like it.

Also, obligatory:

[ixiXSolidXixi]

I believe Dayton Moore is not the greatest but he took Kansas City twice to the world series and with a low budget team.