Camp ends! Finals moves TBA for Opening Day.

[rico43]

Braves Roster
(30 as of March 21 plus 4 NRI)

Pitchers
# Name B/T Ht Wt DOB

57 Rex Brothers L/L 6'0" 210 lbs 12/18/87
51 Shane Carle R/R 6'4" 210lbs 8/30/91
75 Grant Dayton (DL) L/L 6'2" 215lbs 11/25/87
26 Mike Foltynewicz R/R 6'4" 220lbs 10/7/91
39 Sam Freeman R/L 5'11" 180lbs 6/24/87
64 Luiz Gohara (DL) L/L 6'3" 210lbs 7/31/96
68 Jacob Lindgren (DL) L/L 5'11" 210lbs 3/12/93
32 Brandon McCarthy R/R 6'7" 235lbs 7/7/83
40 A.J. Minter L/L 6'0" 205lbs 9/2/93
30 Peter Moylan R/R 6/2" 225lbs 12/2/78
15 Sean Newcomb L/L 6'5" 255lbs 6/12/93
52 Jose Ramirez R/R 6'1" 215lbs 1/21/90
49 Julio Teheran R/R 6'2" 205lbs 1/27/91
38 Arodys Vizcaino R/R 6'0" 230lbs 11/13/90
58 Chase Whitley (DL) R/R 6'4" 220lbs 6/14/89
63 Dan Winkler R/R 6'3" 205lbs 2/2/90

Catchers
# Name B/T Ht Wt DOB
25 Tyler Flowers R/R 6'4" 260lbs 1/24/86
24 Kurt Suzuki R/R 5'11" 205lbs 10/4/83
8 Chris Stewart R/R 6'4" 202lbs 2/1/82
Infield
# Name B/T Ht Wt DOB
1 Ozzie Albies S/R 5'9" 160lbs 1/7/97
17 Johan Camargo (DL) S/R 6'0" 160lbs 12/13/93
16 Charlie Culberson R/R 6'0" 200lbs 4/10/89
27 Ryan Flaherty R/R 6'3" 220lbs 7/27/86
5 Freddie Freeman L/R 6'5" 220lbs 9/12/89
7 Dansby Swanson R/R 6'1" 190lbs 2/11/94
Outfield
# Name B/T Ht Wt DOB
18 Lane Adams R/R 6'3" 220lbs 11/13/89
12 Peter Bourjos R/R 6'1" 175lbs 3/31/87
11 Ender Inciarte L/L 5'11" 190lbs 10/29/90
22 Nick Markakis L/L 6'1" 215lbs 11/17/83
20 Preston Tucker L/L 6'0" 220lbs 7/6/90

[nsacpi]

Added to the major league roster on 10/2 (all already on 40-man)

Akeel Morris
Jesse Biddle
Mauricio Cabrera
Aaron Blair
Jason Hursh

All pitchers, of course

Jacob Lindgren, Armando Rivero and Danny Santana are all on 60-day DL as of 10/4 and do not count towards 40-man roster.

by the time of the rule 5 draft we won't be able to stash guys on the 60 day DL

[rico43]

by the time of the rule 5 draft we won't be able to stash guys on the 60 day DL

Agreed. But the MLB.com 40-man has not yet begun to sort out the free agents and the DFAs which will come along soon enough. The OP is basically a status report.

[cajunrevenge]

I just want Hursh to go away. I just want to vomit anytime I think of our low ceiling high floor college pitcher phase. So man wasted picks. If we get a high ceiling prospect and he busts I understand, can't win em all, but with **** like Hursh the upside was a good reliever. Makes me yearn for Joey Devine. Atleast he had a good name.

[clvclv]

Still expecting Frietas, Garcia, Hursh, Motte, and Sanchez to be trimmed to clear room. Another spot clears if/when Dickey makes it official. Wisler, Krol, and one of Jace or Micah Johnson become candidates to be released if even more room is needed.

Not sure we couldn't get every one of them back on minor league deals before camp opens.

[Chico]

Still expecting Frietas, Garcia, Hursh, Motte, and Sanchez to be trimmed to clear room. Another spot clears if/when Dickey makes it official. Wisler, Krol, and one of Jace or Micah Johnson become candidates to be released if even more room is needed.

Not sure we couldn't get every one of them back on minor league deals before camp opens.

Motte is a Free agent. He's already trimmed

[50PoundHead]

Still expecting Frietas, Garcia, Hursh, Motte, and Sanchez to be trimmed to clear room. Another spot clears if/when Dickey makes it official. Wisler, Krol, and one of Jace or Micah Johnson become candidates to be released if even more room is needed.

Not sure we couldn't get every one of them back on minor league deals before camp opens.

Won't be a big loss or gain depending on the decision, but I thought he played fairly well in September (although one has to take September performance with a grain of salt). Not a horrid 25th guy (just don't ask him to play 1B). Surprising thing with Peterson is that his defense has fallen off. After looking like a decent 2B in his year as a regular, he has really struggled with the glove.

[nsacpi]

I thought Brothers had another option

we burned it in
August when we went him down for 10 days...small thing but dumb...asleep at the switch...but then we also screwed up some basic stuff like thinking we didn't have room on the 40 man for Micah and him finding out on twitter about it

gold standard organization...braves way...blah blah blah

[dak]

we burned it in
August when we went him down for 10 days...small thing but dumb...asleep at the switch...but then we also screwed up some basic stuff like thinking we didn't have room on the 40 man for Micah and him finding out on twitter about it

gold standard organization...braves way...blah blah blah

The optional assignment rules are still a bit confusing to me, but I believe you have to be on optional assignment for 20 or more days for an option year to be burned. So if 10 days was the extent of Brother's optional assignment time for the full year, we would not have burned an option this year.

[nsacpi]

The optional assignment rules are still a bit confusing to me, but I believe you have to be on optional assignment for 20 or more days for an option year to be burned. So if 10 days was the extent of Brother's optional assignment time for the full year, we would not have burned an option this year.

oooh...you might be right

[dak]

Found this Spring 2017 article from the venerable @BravesOptions before he dropped off of Twitter. Building off of what he has here, it seems the following are out of options: Jose Ramirez, Ian Krol, Jace Peterson, Adonis Garcia, Micah Johnson, Mauricio Cabrera, and Luke Jackson. Of note, Akeel Morris appears to have one option year left. I'm not super high on Jose Ramirez, but I think he'll be kept. I expect Krol to be non-tendered. Probably not a black and white situation with the others, but there's no one there I'm dying to keep.

https://www.talkingchop.com/2017/3/2...-laymans-terms

[Horsehide Harry]

Found this Spring 2017 article from the venerable @BravesOptions before he dropped off of Twitter. Building off of what he has here, it seems the following are out of options: Jose Ramirez, Ian Krol, Jace Peterson, Adonis Garcia, Micah Johnson, Mauricio Cabrera, and Luke Jackson. Of note, Akeel Morris appears to have one option year left. I'm not super high on Jose Ramirez, but I think he'll be kept. I expect Krol to be non-tendered. Probably not a black and white situation with the others, but there's no one there I'm dying to keep.

https://www.talkingchop.com/2017/3/2...-laymans-terms

They should keep Ramirez, Krol and Jackson. I think you keep Krol because he's had some success, is a lefty and is cheap. I think you keep him through ST of 2018 at least to see if he rebounds. Jackson is the RH version of that.

The rest can go.

[dak]

Found this Spring 2017 article from the venerable @BravesOptions before he dropped off of Twitter. Building off of what he has here, it seems the following are out of options: Jose Ramirez, Ian Krol, Jace Peterson, Adonis Garcia, Micah Johnson, Mauricio Cabrera, and Luke Jackson. Of note, Akeel Morris appears to have one option year left. I'm not super high on Jose Ramirez, but I think he'll be kept. I expect Krol to be non-tendered. Probably not a black and white situation with the others, but there's no one there I'm dying to keep.

https://www.talkingchop.com/2017/3/2...-laymans-terms

For completeness, of the players the Braves added to the 40-man after this article, I believe Sam Freeman, Lane Adams, and Tony Sanchez are all out of options.

[nsacpi]

But short careers all.

I would feel differently if the sample size were bigger OR the team was sure fire contender in 2018

they're not young and compare poorly to Minty, Freeman and Winkler.

[Horsehide Harry]

they're not young and compare poorly to Minty, Freeman and Winkler.

They aren't exactly old either. They are mid 20's. And none will cost much more than league minimum. I would keep them on the 40 man to see if they can be developed at least through ST 2018. For where the Braves are no need to throw them out just because you think you may have better options.

[Chico]

I had been thinking Lindgren and Morris were out of options. That's great if they are not and could be the reasoning behind keeping Morris down. However it plays out the goal should be to have a shut down pen in Atlanta as well as Gwinnett. I'd like 5-6 good arms in AAA waiting for an injury or an excuse to trade a reliever from the major league team.

[BeanieAntics]

I'm definitely not gonna lump Morris into the "let them go" camp. Someone with a changeup as good as his, I believe, has a really good shot at being a solid major leaguer. His changeup reminds me of Fernando Rodney's even though he doesn't have Rodney's velocity. I really like Akeel

[Enscheff]

Here are xwOBA values for all Braves pitchers who faced 20+ batters. Anyone with a .320 value or less is an above average MLB pitcher (or has shown glimpses of being one) and deserves a spot in the 2018 BP.

Rk. Player Results xwOBA
1 A.J. Minter 13.357 for 60 0.223
2 Dan Winkler 13.344 for 53 0.252
3 Akeel Morris 8.801 for 32 0.275
4 Sam Freeman 70.409 for 254 0.277
5 Luiz Gohara 34.966 for 123 0.284
6 Arodys Vizcaino 68.436 for 235 0.291
7 Jaime Garcia 143.714 for 474 0.303
8 Rex Brothers 32.075 for 105 0.305
9 Jose Ramirez 80.893 for 258 0.314
10 Jim Johnson 80.314 for 256 0.314
11 R.A. Dickey 257.727 for 815 0.316
12 Julio Teheran 259.664 for 812 0.320
13 Sean Newcomb 149.054 for 456 0.327
14 Mike Foltynewicz 226.362 for 692 0.327
15 Lucas Sims 83.585 for 255 0.328
16 Ian Krol 71.286 for 214 0.333
17 Jason Hursh 15.655 for 47 0.333
18 Jason Motte 55.531 for 166 0.335
19 Eric O'Flaherty 28.914 for 83 0.348
20 Max Fried 42.584 for 121 0.352
21 Josh Collmenter 30.665 for 87 0.352
22 Bartolo Colon 105.716 for 299 0.354
23 Luke Jackson 79.460 for 224 0.355
24 Matt Wisler 56.724 for 153 0.371

These values tell me Sims needs more of a shot despite the appearance of sub-par stuff. I could see the Rays valuing him and MAdams as about half the value required to acquire Odorizzi with the other half being a FV 45/50 pitching prospect.

[nsacpi]

good to see the data provide some support for the positive impression I had of Sims...i have no trouble with him going back to AAA but I think he has a shot to be a useful major league starting pitcher

[Enscheff]

good to see the data provide some support for the positive impression I had of Sims...i have no trouble with him going back to AAA but I think he has a shot to be a useful major league starting pitcher

Dickey, Teheran, Folty, Newk and Sims all clustered around the .315-.325 range, which is a #4 SP. I expect improvement from Teheran next year in the form of better command.

Gohara is singlehandedly bouying the pitching heavy rebuild as he is already at least a 2-pitch #3+...a LHed Archer. Hopefully he marches towards the top of the rotation as his change and stamina improve. If his stamina remains an issue he can be an elite 3 win BP arm.