Last edited by nsacpi; 02-12-2018 at 08:20 PM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
I'd be willing to sign Moose to a 5/15/15...i suspect rather strongly he and his agent would not entertain such an offert
Last edited by nsacpi; 02-12-2018 at 08:29 PM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
an alternative is Nunez on a 4/8/8 with year 3 a team option...i suspect that something along those lines would be a competitive offer for Nunez
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that Liberty might authorize an additional $5-7MM in funds (at the request of McGuirk) to go after Moustakas - provided that he could be secured at a significant discount?
So something like ~10/~15/~15?
The Braves are at $106M if they don’t pay Kazmir’s deferred money from this year’s payroll. If realize they couldn’t pay Frazier $8M in 2018, that means they probably have to give Mous less than that in 2018.
If we assume they want to put some cash towards Kazmir’s defered money and have an absolute max payroll around $115M, that leaves about $5M-$6M for Mous in 2018.
The contract would have to be something like 5/20/20 to get him to take so little in 2018, and it probably has to be 4 years.
All speculation, but I don’t see any other suitors.
I think it's all about the timing. I view Kemp as a special case that was a radical misjudgment by the previous team leadership. The only way I am interested in Moustakas is if he signs a three-year deal and the only way we can accommodate such a deal is to backload it. I understand the problem with backloading because if Moustakas turns into a pumpkin, we're stuck in a similar situation to what we were with Kemp. I just don't see how he could be as limited as Kemp. I'm just throwing out a $16 MM AAV because I think it's going to take a little frosting to get Moustakas to sign a three-year deal. Like JxnMissFan, I'm not sold on Moustakas, but I'm not sold on Riley either.
I was never a huge Mouse fan, but its getting to be where if you can sign him at the discount many think we can.... it'd be pretty tough not to... he's most definitely worth it if he's signing for that large of a discount. At this point, I think you have to sign Mouse or Nunez... the bargains are just too good.
I understand the desire to see who Camargo really is. I think that would be a reasonable explanation for not signing a FA 3B. But if they are certain that Camargo is not the guy, then I hope the front office is able to look at Riley's production prior to his promotion last year, look at the unsustainable BABIP he posted after the promotion, and conclude that it is far too early to worry about blocking him. I would find any other conclusion troubling.
Go get him!
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JohnAdcox (02-13-2018)
Riley is not a stud prospect where blocking him is ill-advisable. IMO the key is at what point would Mous be viable for the team as a discount and anything around 50 million would be ideal, similar to Cain. We all thought he was going to take a big cut but still got 80+. I'd still be shocked if Mous signs for that little but who knows. It seems AA misread the market when making the Kemp deal to front load all his cost for 2018. We could have made a competitive team with what some of these players are signing for. However I think everyone misread the market at this point.
Getting rid of kemp was still most important, IMO. and i think getting rid of him might have been harder had the dodgers known how this market would shake out. people don't want to pay moose $15m per year, they definitely do not want to be paying matt kemp 20+. the dodgers expected to be able to deal him, and haven't found a suitor - and i doubt they will.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
solidifying 3B would go a long way this season. with some pitching luck/development, i think we could be a legitimately decent team once acuna comes up. i think we are even without moose, but mid-80s (maybe even slightly higher) seems very possible (probable?) with him. i'm down for giving camargo a shot if we can't get moose at a huge discount, tho. but i don't think he'll hit enough to be a guy we want to play every day.
by the way..who's the starting LF?
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Yeah, I don't understand worrying about blocking Riley... don't see how you can get too excited about him. Sure, he's got some potential, but his success has more red flags than green flags. Young for his level, but the BABIP and strikeout numbers don't give me huge confidence. I would rather use him as trade bait while his value is likely the highest it will ever be.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
zbhargrove (02-13-2018)