Discussion of Braves 2018 Offseason plans

[Enscheff]

Why is calling someone who simply disagrees with you a moron ok in your book? What's too far?
the fact you do that is exactly why i say your emotional intelligence is low. it's just weird how much it upsets you.
most topics in which someone says something that you disagree with end up like this. it's you, dude. you.

I disagree with folks all the time.

When a dumb person like you or clv or tehteh argues with irrelevant or incorrect points, the argument continues. I let them know they are stupid.

When I argue with an intelligent person like nsacpi, harry, thewpk, jpx, sometimes smoot, mistake7 or matt, and a few others, they either change my mind, or we simply disagree.

I'm sorry you can't see the difference between calling a person dumb, and using homophobic or bigoted insults. I know it's OK where you live, but the rest of the world can easily see the distinction.

[jpx7]

As I've said quite a few times (even if folks like super and clv can't grasp it), these moves taken individually aren't egregiously bad. They are sub-optimal, but they aren't insurmountable by any means.

The issue is that the sub-optimal move was mad EVERY time. The sheer number of those moves becomes insurmountable for a mid-market team like the Braves.

It's almost like the philosophy was, "always choose the move that sacrifices the most value...Braves Way".

I agree with you, and have the many other times this has been demonstrated. My point is that it’s been thoroughly demonstrated. Luckily, the organization itself has moved on from the guiding lights who led things so astray; perhaps we should too—and I’m sure in due time Anthoupolous will provide us other, hopefully better things about which to quibble.

[Super]

I know it's OK where you live, but the rest of the world can easily see the distinction.

you do disagree all the time. it frequently ends up with you attacking them. mental midget.
i see the difference. i just think it's odd one is your go-to while whining endlessly about the other one. it's trumpian. you and donald are very alike.
this shows your ignorance, little man.

[Super]

where do i live, btw?

[thewupk]

I agree with you, and have the many other times this has been demonstrated. My point is that it’s been thoroughly demonstrated. Luckily, the organization itself has moved on from the guiding lights who led things so astray; perhaps we should too—and I’m sure in due time Anthoupolous will provide us other, hopefully better things about which to quibble.

No GM or Front Office is perfect but some obviously handle things better than others. AA will make mistakes. We just have to hope they are minimal or inconsequential. There will come a time when the team is going to have to get over the hump while spending money on FA and/or trading prospects for other assets. It's doubtful he will bat a thousand there. We just have to hope he gets more right than he gets wrong and sets the team up for contention.

[Enscheff]

No GM or Front Office is perfect but some obviously handle things better than others. AA will make mistakes. We just have to hope they are minimal or inconsequential. There will come a time when the team is going to have to get over the hump while spending money on FA and/or trading prospects for other assets. It's doubtful he will bat a thousand there. We just have to hope he gets more right than he gets wrong and sets the team up for contention.

It seems he failed to properly read the FA market this year. The Braves probably could have made enough improvements to the roster this offseason to be WC contenders in 2018 if they didn't make the Kemp trade.

I don't think anyone can really blame him for that, but it would have been nice to grab up some bargains.

Now it all hinges on what he does with all the available cash next offseason.

[Jaw]

My gosh. We argue about politics, religion, and gun control with more civility on the other board than most of these baseball threads end up having.

[Super]

My gosh. We argue about politics, religion, and gun control with more civility on the other board than most of these baseball threads end up having.

well, you-know-who doesn't post over there. so, there you go.

[thewupk]

It seems he failed to properly read the FA market this year. The Braves probably could have made enough improvements to the roster this offseason to be WC contenders in 2018 if they didn't make the Kemp trade.

I don't think anyone can really blame him for that, but it would have been nice to grab up some bargains.

Now it all hinges on what he does with all the available cash next offseason.

I would agree on that. Now to me this all really depends on what Mous signs for. A lot of the bargain players so far have been on short deals that would make sense for 2018 and could possibly be a WC contender but going beyond that I would want someone better. Mous would really be the only long term piece that looks could be had at a bargain price.

[4maddux_cy's]

My gosh. We argue about politics, religion, and gun control with more civility on the other board than most of these baseball threads end up having.

Agreed and it is making this place hard to visit. Enscheff's constant belittling of other posters is creating a hostile environment on this board. I've been around the various Braves forums since around 2000 and this is the only time I've considered giving them up. After he came back from his temporary ban he was a great addition to the board as he seemed like he had improved his behavior. Enscheff does provide some great insights on stats and what not. I just wish the insults and crap would stop. Supposedly we are all Braves fans.

[Enscheff]

well, you-know-who doesn't post over there. so, there you go.

I don't discuss politics with anyone who can't answer a simple question related to government. Since I have no way of knowing who googled the answer to the question, I don't bother going over there.

[clvclv]

That certainly could have happened. However I don't think many expected the market to crash for certain people, AA included.

This is exactly the point -

Lots of things happen that you simply can't expect or "plan for" ...even though certain people always try to use an excuse (or simply glaze over the thought that they didn't see things shaking out a particular way) in hindsight.

[bravesfanMatt]

I don't discuss politics with anyone who can't answer a simple question related to government. Since I have no way of knowing who googled the answer to the question, I don't bother going over there.

But what is the question

[thewupk]

This is exactly the point -

Lots of things happen that you simply can't expect or "plan for" ...even though certain people always try to use an excuse (or simply glaze over the thought that they didn't see things shaking out a particular way) in hindsight.

I can't speak for certain people. Most of my opinions regarding the managerial part of the game is based on probabilities using the best information that we have. Some things the Braves have done in the past are clear mistakes. They were bad then and then they are bad now. Some things turn out for the best (Marte for Renteria for example) even though, imo, they were a poor decision at the time. If the Braves make the best decision in the present then things should turn out good for them.

[zitothebrave]

It seems he failed to properly read the FA market this year. The Braves probably could have made enough improvements to the roster this offseason to be WC contenders in 2018 if they didn't make the Kemp trade.

I don't think anyone can really blame him for that, but it would have been nice to grab up some bargains.

Now it all hinges on what he does with all the available cash next offseason.

To be fair, he was just attempting to scavenge anything out of Kemp because of Coppy/JS/JH's failure that lead to that turd sandwich coming here.

[thewupk]

To be fair, he was just attempting to scavenge anything out of Kemp because of Coppy/JS/JH's failure that lead to that turd sandwich coming here.

I applaud AA to get that string of mistakes severed from the team. No more punting it down the road with another mistake. In a way it's what the John trio tried to do with CJ and BJ for example but in a much better fashion.

[Enscheff]

But what is the question

I find a way to ask the meaning of the word "bicameral" as it relates to US government, then I prod for an understanding as to why the US utilizes such a system.

If they can't tell me that the US legislative branch has two chambers, how the membership of each chamber is determined, how laws must pass through each chamber, and that such a system was created as a compromise between small states and large states, I know they are ignorant of government and history. It's pointless to discuss politics with such people.

It is correct to say every single Trump supporter I ever came across looked at me with a blank stare when I asked that very simple question. In fact, I have to assume Trump himself didn't know those facts as evidenced by him thinking his executive decrees were actual laws.

[Hawk]

This organization sucks. This team sucks. And this board, especially, has sucked over the past year.

Same discussions revolving around the same stale issues, same petty catfights, same idiotic turns of phrase.

Many of the folks who actually made this board worth wasting time on are long gone. It's unfortunate.

[nsacpi]

This organization sucks. This team sucks. And this board, especially, has sucked over the past year.

Same discussions revolving around the same stale issues, same petty catfights, same idiotic turns of phrase.

Many of the folks who actually made this board worth wasting time on are long gone. It's unfortunate.

time to make these boards great again

[Hawk]

time to make these boards great again

impossible because fearless leader is asian