Hollywood/Political Sex Offense Scandals (Now Louis CK and AL-GOPSenateNom Roy Moore)

[BedellBrave]

different rules for "icons"

Yep..."let's police ourselves since we are so good at it."

[thethe]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/b...att-lauer.html

Another one bites the dust. Who is going to be left?

Who determines 'inappropriate' behavior?

[Super]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/b...att-lauer.html

Another one bites the dust. Who is going to be left?

Who determines 'inappropriate' behavior?

if it's a complaint from a trusted employee, i'm guessing the company does.
NBC wouldn't fire Lauer on a flimsy accusation from a random employee.

[thethe]

if it's a complaint from a trusted employee, i'm guessing the company does.
NBC wouldn't fire Lauer on a flimsy accusation from a random employee.

I get it but 'inappropriate' has changed significantly in the last 50 years. Mostly in a good way of course but the concern is a recent article that I read saying that 25% of women say complimenting their looks is sexual harassment. We are entering dangerous territory in my opinion.

[Super]

I get it but 'inappropriate' has changed significantly in the last 50 years. Mostly in a good way of course but the concern is a recent article that I read saying that 25% of women say complimenting their looks is sexual harassment. We are entering dangerous territory in my opinion.

I don't totally disagree. It's all about the specifics of the situation.
A poll I heard said something like 80% of women find that being asked out multiple times by a colleague is harassment. Only 20% of men thought it to be harassment. It's almost a cliche for some guys to say "oh I asked her out and she said no, but I kept trying and eventually she said yes!" I think it comes down to the relationship this hypothetical woman has with this hypothetical man. if they're legitimate friends and this happens, the woman is less likely to feel harassed. if it's a guy she doesn't know well that won't relent, it will feel much more creepy to her.

But in the end, it's on a case-by-case basis. If a superior says something like "Hey beautiful" to an employee, is it harassment? No. But I'd say it's most definitely inappropriate for work, and should not be allowed for a multitude of reasons. Is it necessarily a huge deal? No. But it creates issues, and if it makes the woman uncomfortable in her place of work, she shouldn't be expected to get another job or just put up with it to keep her current job. I think it's why we need a total reset on all of this and why, ultimately, i think this wave will be beneficial. women have put up with a lot, for a looooong time.

[BedellBrave]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/b...att-lauer.html

Another one bites the dust. Who is going to be left?

Who determines 'inappropriate' behavior?

Wow! And an unusually swift response. Must have pretty damning.

[Coredor]

This needs to end. It’s starting to look like the feminist inquisition.

[sturg33]

This needs to end. It’s starting to look like the feminist inquisition.

Yep... "the ugly dude smiled at me - made me uncomfortable"

YOU'RE FIRED!

[mqt]

This needs to end. It’s starting to look like the feminist inquisition.

The accused have overwhelmingly admitted to doing inappropriate things toward women, though.

[thethe]

The accused have overwhelmingly admitted to doing inappropriate things toward women, though.

At what point do we look at human nature and say this is how we were created?

Nobody is arguing that women should be raped or sexually harassed but only that men are programmed to chase women.

[mqt]

At what point do we look at human nature and say this is how we were created?

Nobody is arguing that women should be raped or sexually harassed but only that men are programmed to chase women.

But the majority of (maybe all?) the high profile cases aren't about men being sexually interested in women. They're about men doing **** like groping women or whipping out their dicks. I've really not seen someone go down over respectful attempts at courting. There might be a meaningful conversation regarding whether it should be acceptable to flirt in the workplace, but I think we all need to agree that masturbating in front of a woman at work is a red line.

[thethe]

But the majority of (maybe all?) the high profile cases aren't about men being sexually interested in women. They're about men doing **** like groping women or whipping out their dicks. I've really not seen someone go down over respectful attempts at courting. There might be a meaningful conversation regarding whether it should be acceptable to flirt in the workplace, but I think we all need to agree that masturbating in front of a woman at work is a red line.

Yes - That is despicable and is more an indictment on the mental faculty of the individual.

However, what is considered respectful attempts at courting? If men were to stop trying after being told no once what would our population look like now? There are large percentages of women who want to be chased and want a man who is resilient.

[mqt]

Yes - That is despicable and is more an indictment on the mental faculty of the individual.

However, what is considered respectful attempts at courting? If men were to stop trying after being told no once what would our population look like now? There are large percentages of women who want to be chased and want a man who is resilient.

Maybe a little thinner, but it's a world I'd be happy to live in. I think it's perfectly fair to draw a line at no meaning no in all circumstances.

[thethe]

Maybe a little thinner, but it's a world I'd be happy to live in. I think it's perfectly fair to draw a line at no meaning no in all circumstances.

I'm not talking about sex. When a woman says no that absolutely means no in my book.

I'm talking about courting/flirting. No doesn't always mean no. Sometimes no means a women wants to know how interested a man is in her.

[nsacpi]

At what point do we look at human nature and say this is how we were created?

Nobody is arguing that women should be raped or sexually harassed but only that men are programmed to chase women.

Not too much to ask them to confine such activity to outside the workplace.

[mqt]

I'm not talking about sex. When a woman says no that absolutely means no in my book.

I'm talking about courting/flirting. No doesn't always mean no. Sometimes no means a women wants to know how interested a man is in her.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that is not the prevailing reason that women say no to such advances, and would be fine with assuming so at the risk of missing out on such a wonderful opportunity to deal with someone maybe acting like an immature child and playing hard to get.

[thethe]

Not too much to ask them to confine such activity to outside the workplace.

Definitely a fair argument.

What about at celebrations outside of the workplace? Happy hours?

[nsacpi]

Definitely a fair argument.

What about at celebrations outside of the workplace? Happy hours?

Well no set of HR rules will cover every contingency. But I think corporate America has evolved and will continue to evolve some reasonable guidelines. I don't think the ones most of us currently have to live with are unduly oppressive.

[sturg33]

I'm glad my dad didn't take the first No as final

[nsacpi]

I'm glad my dad didn't take the first No as final

upon further review....

i keed!

i keed!