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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
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    Watching "man on the street" interviews with Roy Moore supporters felt a lot like viewing clips of rank and file southern segregationists interviewed on TV in the 1950s. People in deep, thoughtless denial and completely unbothered about the judgment of history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    "One of the oddest aspects of the sexual revolution is its tendency to present the problem as the solution. For instance, during the 1980s, the least acceptable response to the AIDS crisis was the promotion of abstinence. Promiscuity was held to be normative, opponents of it were decried as idiotic and prudish, and any acceptable solution had to be built on these foundational truths.


    Thirty years on, the failed pattern continues. Britain's Daily Telegraph reports that researchers are calling for sex education to reflect the increasing range of sexual activity in which young people are engaged. The change in sexual habits is presented not as a problem, but as a reality to be accommodated. This makes perfect sense, given the divorce of sexual activity from any kind of moral framework or personal narrative. As sex is essentially amoral (except when consent is absent—and then it is only the violation of consent, not the sex, that is immoral), so the education that surrounds it is amoral, too.


    The proposal raises certain issues, which it fails to address in a satisfactory manner. Without providing any details, the Telegraph implies that these changes in behavior must bring with them new risks—hence the need for sex education to change with the times. And the change, as always, is couched in terms of the technical, not the moral. It must therefore be toward the more graphic (read: explicit and amoral). The article’s acknowledgment of the role of Internet pornography in all this merely states the obvious.


    Yet why should sex education be “tailored to the realities of young people’s experiences,” as the article says? Why not address instead the factors that determine those experiences, by putting sex back in its rightful place, within an appropriate moral framework? The “tailoring” of sex education to patterns of behavior divorced from morality is one of the things that brought on the current situation. The problem is, by definition, not part of the solution, and to claim otherwise is to perpetuate the scam that is the sexual revolution. It promised freedom; it has brought us a moral and social deficit, evident in broken families and damaged bodies.


    The problems of sexual activity divorced from morality are implicitly acknowledged by those who are involved in maintaining the myth of sex’s amorality. The spate of sexual harassment accusations in Hollywood and beyond provide ample evidence that sex is not merely recreational, but has deeper significance. And then, strange to tell, a recent report on the development of sex robots highlights the fact that clients of prostitutes often want to pretend that the sex occurs in the context of a real relationship. Some kind of narrative, however false, somehow makes the act more satisfying. Thus, to be most effective, sex robots will need to be programmed with personal histories. This is surely testimony to an innate human need to set sexual activity within a larger relational framework. And to set it within a larger relational framework is to grant it a moral status.


    Modern sex education keeps failing to deliver on its promises—indeed, it keeps plunging society into deeper and deeper problems—and it keeps proposing as the solution more and more of the same. Sexual assault is heinous, and even the clients of prostitutes want something more significant than an anonymous encounter. The notion that sex can be pursued as recreation, isolated from a larger relational and moral context, is an obvious scam. But we keep getting mugged by reality.


    It has often been observed that the victims of scams have a remarkable ability to ignore the obvious fact that, hey, they have fallen for a confidence trick. To accept that one has been conned out of a sum of money and thereby cut one’s losses may be more difficult than to keep giving the con artist more, in the hope that somehow the scheme is not a fraud after all. So it is with the scam known as the sexual revolution. It has institutionalized irresponsibility to such an extent, and demonized its critics so effectively, that even as it falls apart under the weight of its own contradictions, we keep pouring cultural capital into the same old schemes, hoping that all will turn out well in the end.


    The hypocrisy of a Hollywood that lauds Roman Polanski while damning Kevin Spacey is just one example of how chaotic and confused our culture has become. This latest sex education proposal is another. At some point somebody will need to acknowledge what is going on. But that, alas, is not the psychology of those who fall for plausible grifters and attractive scams. For the time being at least, the problem will continue to be presented as the solution."

    Carl R. Trueman is William E. Simon Visiting Fellow in Religion in Public Life at the James Madison Program at Princeton University.

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    I certainly wouldn't deny that there is a moral stratum to sex/sexuality (one that goes beyond mere considerations of consent, as important as those considerations are). At the same time, I have trouble reconciling this author's suggestions with the statistical fact that abstinence-only sex-ed programs strongly correlate with greater incidence of venereal disease, unplanned/unwanted teen pregnancy, and abortion—the incidence of which I think we can agree we want to reduce. So perhaps there's an important moderation between insisting sexuality and sexual activity is, purely and simply, amoral, and insisting that the answer is, purely and simply, traditional marriage and attendant sexual abstinence outside of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    We really need an iq test for voting. Too many blithering idiots voting. Heres question 1 " your friend has been shot, do you A) call an ambulance and apply first aid. B) get on your knees and pray to God your friend doesn't die.

    I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    I certainly wouldn't deny that there is a moral stratum to sex/sexuality (one that goes beyond mere considerations of consent, as important as those considerations are). At the same time, I have trouble reconciling this author's suggestions with the statistical fact that abstinence-only sex-ed programs strongly correlate with greater incidence of venereal disease, unplanned/unwanted teen pregnancy, and abortion—the incidence of which I think we can agree we want to reduce. So perhaps there's an important moderation between insisting sexuality and sexual activity is, purely and simply, amoral, and insisting that the answer is, purely and simply, traditional marriage and attendant sexual abstinence outside of that.

    Not sure Trueman is suggesting abstinence-only programs. Rather, I think his critique is aimed at the separating/isolating sex from a relational & moral context. There is too little, "this is wrong and there are consequences to immorality" and "this is for other-oriented, committed relationships."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    Not sure Trueman is suggesting abstinence-only programs. Rather, I think his critique is aimed at the separating/isolating sex from a relational & moral context.
    Perhaps; and, if so, like I said, I think it's pretty phenomenologically dubious to separate/isolate sexuality and sex acts from a relational and/or moral context. Even "liberated", "no-strings", "casual" recreational sex exists pretty clearly in a relational and moral context.

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    There is too little, "this is wrong and there are consequences to immorality" and "this is for other-oriented, committed relationships."
    Can you elaborate this part? Because I'm not sure I'm seeing what you mean here.
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    Sex-education tends not to underscore that there is a moral and relational context to sex. It tends not to say there are immoral uses of sex with subsequent consequences and that there are narcissistic uses of sex with subsequent consequences. And these scandals evidence it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    We will nver get past racial issues in this country because the left won't allow it
    It's sad that we can't all agree to just treat people like people. John Roberts said something along the lines of 'If we want racial discrimination to end, we neednto stop discriminating on the basis of race.' It really is that simple, but where's the political advantage in that?

    No two groups of Americans have more in common than those in trailer parks and projects, and they vote on polar opposite sides because of race.
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    Easy for Roberts to say that honestly. The reason we had to create laws to try and prohibit discrimination, was because the ones in power who you are supposed to trust to be fair were abusing their power and discriminating. We had to try and create laws over restaurants not discriminating service based on race, because there were racist restaurant owners discriminating on the basis of race.

    Until you've been given the "You're not how I thought you'd be by the look of you" speech by multiple people and you know the implied connotation had to do with what I looked like/my skin color it's a bit crass for Roberts to say that. I've had plenty of managers throw away job resumes/not even offer to call qualified resumes because the name they read was an elongated African-American name.
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    We'll never end racism completely. That doesn't mean we should sanction it with law.
    Any law or policy we put in place in an attempt to correct potential unfairness will only guarantee that we are discriminating against someone else. That isn't making anything better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
    We'll never end racism completely. That doesn't mean we should sanction it with law.
    Any law or policy we put in place in an attempt to correct potential unfairness will only guarantee that we are discriminating against someone else. That isn't making anything better.
    True. The Supreme Court is about to hear how affirmative action discriminates against Latinos at Harvard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Seems like the more appropriate thread to ask this question.

    I know nothing about any of these new allegations. But am curious - it seems like we're dangerously auto-assuming guilt these days, and I think that invites a lot of fake allegations.

    We see it all the time with fake hate crimes. Now I can imagine any woman coming forward to take down a powerful man either for money, attention, or simply ruining the reputation of someone she may not like.

    Just my $0.02. I know it's not popular in today's #metoo controversy of the month

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    Mike McQueary testified that another Penn State coach had told him that Schiano had talked of seeing Sandusky abusing a boy in the early 1990s.

    “Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower,”
    what a weird fear to be worried about people who did nothing to child rapists being denied a promotion
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    To not be concerned at the very least how this is shaking out proves that you have no concern for due process as afforded by the constitution. I guess I shouldn't be shocked because you disagree with pretty much all parts of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    To not be concerned at the very least how this is shaking out proves that you have no concern for due process as afforded by the constitution. I guess I shouldn't be shocked because you disagree with pretty much all parts of it.
    what are you babbling about here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    what are you babbling about here?
    It's pretty clear. Keep up.
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    that is far from clear

    but carry on i guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    what a weird fear to be worried about people who did nothing to child rapists being denied a promotion
    OK cool.

    I'll go accuse goldy of molesting children, and based on that alone, you'll never get a job again.

    Makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Thats not going to win over republican voters. You see 4 sweet little girls, they see 4 crackwhores who probably got what they deserved.
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    I fail to see the issue with Schiano. Our own elected officials told our military to stand down and let Men rape boys in Afghanistan. If its okay for the President to look the other way at thousands of little boys being raped why should we hold an NFL coach to a higher standard?
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