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    Should Democrats Rethink Their Approach to Religious Voters

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    ...Democratic candidates would pick up votes and enthusiasm from faith voters just by explicitly connecting their policy priorities with the priorities, values, and interests of religious communities, but they should also be responsive to areas of concern and disagreement. The party’s ever-leftward, ever-symbolic, and ever-antagonistic policy approach on social issues must be tempered to win the votes of disaffected religious voters in the Trump era.

    This does not mean the party must become pro-life, or that the party must move an inch on supporting LGBT rights. Critics of Democratic faith outreach, on both the right and the left, who suggest this is the only alternative to ignoring faith voters have their own interests and are comfortable with the status quo that leads to purity for Democrats and victory for Republicans.

    On abortion, one path forward is for the party to reverse its change to the platform on the Hyde Amendment, and return to focusing its argument on the idea that abortion should be legal, rather than a social good that should be encouraged. Instead of viewing Republican extremism as an excuse to move to the left on abortion in 2016, Democrats could have appealed to the broad middle by claiming the historic reduction of the abortion rate under President Obama as a Democratic success story. Unfortunately, the most political, vehement pro-choice advocates do not want Democrats to applaud the reduction in the abortion rate, because they are afraid the American people will then value lowering the abortion rate as an end in and of itself. Well, again, sometimes the interests of advocacy groups will not align with the interest of the Democratic Party or our national politics. How can we let parochial political calculations prevent us from pointing to the data, and saying out loud that a lower abortion rate is a positive development any moral society should embrace?

    On religious freedom, Democrats should draw clear lines where they can to stem the fear-mongering that flourished in 2016 because of their silence. Democrats should rule out taking away church’s tax-exempt status. Democrats should make clear that religious institutions should be allowed to organize around their faith without government interference. They should be clear that just as George W. Bush never threatened the religious freedom of churches who supported same-sex marriage in 2004 while he was campaigning for a federal marriage amendment, Democrats do not believe the government’s role is to coerce ecclesial transformation on questions of LGBT inclusion. This is what the separation of Church and State demands. Wherever individual Democratic politicians stand on religious freedom in the context of LGBT rights, the essential and responsible action is for all Democrats to explicitly, clearly draw the line somewhere....

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    First, "religious" voters should rethink what it means to be religious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    First, "religious" voters should rethink what it means to be religious.
    Um no.

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    Won't happen Bedell. They've moved on from having positions that are contrary to ours. Now they find us contemptible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
    Won't happen Bedell. They've moved on from having positions that are contrary to ours. Now they find us contemptible.

    Even some here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    Even some here.
    And those same people somehow come to the defense of Islam as fast as possible.

    It makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    First, "religious" voters should rethink what it means to be religious.

    Or (or maybe in addition) those who think they are irreligious or areligious should rethink that silly notion.
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    Don't religious people procreate more than secular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Don't religious people procreate more than secular?
    Like rabbits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    It's impossible for me to think of Trump supporters as Christians, no matter how they choose to identify themselves.

    Me to they are white tribalists, and an abomination to any serious person who recognizes that there is a difference between Good and Evil. Trump is just the latest representation of the most negative and evil impulses of humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Don't religious people procreate more than secular?
    Yep. The Secularists's, John Lennonism - eschatology has some problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    Yep. The Secularists's, John Lennonism - eschatology has some problems.
    I always find it amusing when leftists say at some point the next generation will make religion more of a minority but ignore birth rates between the two demographics. Religion is going no where and as the popular culture moves to a more godless society there will be even more who seek truth in a world of lies.
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    It's wish projection and sometime partly due to living in secularist bubbles. You look around and you see more "Nones" and you think well Utopia has got to be just down the road a tad bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I always find it amusing when leftists say at some point the next generation will make religion more of a minority but ignore birth rates between the two demographics. Religion is going no where and as the popular culture moves to a more godless society there will be even more who seek truth in a world of lies.

    I credit the nature of pop culture with strengthening my faith tremendously. I was raised in the church but had moved away from it, still God loving and God fearing, but not actively living my beliefs. A "casual Christian" some call it. Our country's constant march against Christianity caused me to reevaluate a lot of things. I was weighed and found wanting. That isn't a good feeling, but it's led to a positive change that has made my life far more enjoyable than ever before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
    I credit the nature of pop culture with strengthening my faith tremendously. I was raised in the church but had moved away from it, still God loving and God fearing, but not actively living my beliefs. A "casual Christian" some call it. Our country's constant march against Christianity caused me to reevaluate a lot of things. I was weighed and found wanting. That isn't a good feeling, but it's led to a positive change that has made my life far more enjoyable than ever before.
    I'm not disputing your personal experience, but I've always found this kind of language rather odd and apocalyptic. Granted, I have spent the last 15 years in a bit of a regional bubble of religious conservatism, but I struggle to understand this zero-sum viewpoint sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I always find it amusing when leftists say at some point the next generation will make religion more of a minority but ignore birth rates between the two demographics. Religion is going no where and as the popular culture moves to a more godless society there will be even more who seek truth in a world of lies.
    Why am I so sure my thoughts are right? Your train of thought is barely winning elections now. Numbers don't lie and they don't look good for Trumps 2020 chances on a national level. He will lose provided he is not impeached or doesn'tblow us all up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I think the government has no business in religion... but you gotta be kidding me with this. It's the left who have established the "agree with us or you're a racist/homophobic/transphobe/child molestor/tomorrow's insult of the month
    The left is unable to realize how radical the have been come and how many people they've pushed away. All for the sake of their moral superiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The left is unable to realize how radical the have been come and how many people they've pushed away. All for the sake of their moral superiority complex.
    you keep using the terms radical



    Gen Hayden is far from a liberal person

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The left is unable to realize how radical the have been come and how many people they've pushed away. All for the sake of their moral superiority complex.
    I truly wonder how many people on "the left" you know (both with respect to my definition, that is distinct from the D party, and your overly-broad working boogeyman definition). A "moral superiority complex" does not accurately characterize most of the people with leftist impulses or sympathies I know; they are, conversely, often working with what they see as a moral imperative to give voice to the marginalized and help to the abject in society, and generally moreover view material and/or monetary gain (as a governing telos in life) with great suspicion. Both, coincidentally, seem very New Testament to me—which is why this failure of outreach is painfully ironic.
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