Legal/scotus thread

[57Brave]

"preventing pregnancy" is now equal to abortion ?
and the slippery slope you are riding goes how far ...

by earlier definition there is no pregnancy (conception) until the egg is fertilized
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con·cep·tion
kənˈsepSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: conception; plural noun: conceptions

1.
the action of conceiving a child or of a child being conceived.
"an unfertilized egg before conception"
synonyms: inception of pregnancy, conceiving, fertilization, impregnation, insemination
"from conception until natural death"
the forming or devising of a plan or idea.
"the time between a product's conception and its launch"
synonyms: inception, genesis, origination, creation, invention; More
beginning, origin
"the product's conception"
2.
the way in which something is perceived or regarded.
"our conception of how language relates to reality"
a general notion; an abstract idea.
"the conception of a balance of power"
synonyms: idea, concept, notion, understanding, abstraction; More
theory, hypothesis;
perception, image, impression
"my conception of democracy"
a plan or intention.
"reconstructing Bach's original conceptions"
synonyms: plan, scheme, project, proposal; More
intention, aim, idea
"his original conception"
understanding; ability to imagine.
"he had no conception of politics"
synonyms: understanding, comprehension, appreciation, grasp, knowledge; More
idea, inkling;
informalclue
"they had no conception of our problems"

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[57Brave]

Read the whole thread if you'd like to learn more how shameless Harris is

"politics ain't bean bag"

[sturg33]

"politics ain't bean bag"

So not only were you duped by the lie (and bizarrely sticking by it despite being proven wrong)... you're OK with our elected officials knowingly and intentionally lying to the American public?

Cool man

[57Brave]

she quoted his writing. His choice of words - his sentiments
as noted above in his writing he chose to use the words " abortion inducing" no one held a gun to his head (or, did they ?)

when given the opportunity to clarify he weaseled - himmed and hawed
Yet another (R) that needs a clean up crew

This man is a hack and unworthy of a lifetime appointment.
Made crystal clear by Sen Harris

[sturg33]

she quoted his writing. His choice of words - his sentiments

No she didn't. She quoted his words and conveniently chopped off the beginning of the sentence

as noted above in his writing he chose to use the words " abortion inducing"

He was summarizing the case that that's how the defendant saw it. This is so clear it's staggering you can't see it

no one held a gun to his head (or, did they ?)

You're really dumb

when given the opportunity to clarify he weaseled - himmed and hawed

What? What are you referring to?

This man is a hack and unworthy of a lifetime appointment.

He's a hack? LOL

made crystal clear by Sen Harris

This lady made a fool of herself. If that is the future of the democratic party - and it appears it based on how many people got duped by her - you guys are in a lot of trouble

[sturg33]

Seriously - if you're interested in educating yourself at all, you can go back and read the case. http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/09/07/13-5368.pdf

The part you are referring to:

Fourth, this case is not one in which Plaintiffs’ “only harm . . . is that they sincerely feel aggrieved by their inability to prevent what other people would do to fulfill regulatory objectives after they opt out.” Slip Op. at 24. The regulations compel Plaintiffs to take actions they believe would amount to “impermissibly facilitating access to abortion-inducing products, contraceptives, and sterilization” in violation of their religious tenets.

It is so clear that he is summarizing their views - there are even quotes around the phrase. It truly baffles me why you want to double down on this. And somehow this makes him a hack? What does that make Harris and idiots like you who believer her?

[Jaw]

Never mind. Ignre is much easier.

[57Brave]

Never mind. Ignre is much easier.

“did not start with Donald Trump. He is a symptom, not the cause.”

[Julio3000]

goodness man. As detailed here in the Washington Post at the time, Hobby Lobby's objections were specifically aimed at "morning after" drugs that prevented the pregnancy from continuing after contraception. Kavanaugh's words were accurate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b69a5e8b0861




And the issue is whether employers have to be forced to pay for them... not whether they should be illegal.

Whoa, whoa. No. First of all, I’m talking about—as was Kavanagh—Priests for Life, not Hobby Lobby.

The relevant quote being:

“That was a group that was being forced to provide certain kind of health coverage over their religious objection to their employees,” Kavanaugh said at the hearing. “And under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the question was first ‘was this a substantial burden on the religious exercise,’ and it seemed to me quite clearly it was. It was a technical matter of filling out a form, in that case filling out the form would make them complicit in the provision of the abortion-inducing drugs that they were as a religious matter objecting to.”

Nothing out of context there. No misleading quotes. No “they said.” Just his own words. And you’re still playing a rhetorical game about birth control methods vs. termination of a pregnancy.

[Jaw]

...the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made in ordinary litigation between parties in personal actions, the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their government into the hands of that eminent tribunal.

President Lincoln showing off some foresight in his reaction to Dred Scott during his Inaugural Address.

[sturg33]

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...tion-inducing/

[57Brave]

... that Kavanaugh’s lack of honesty makes him unfit to serve on the Supreme Court. In this case, Kavanaugh has repeatedly sworn that he never received documents stolen by Republican Senate aide Manny Miranda—documents that he did, in fact, receive.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...h_all_dt_tw_ru

[nsacpi]

...the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made in ordinary litigation between parties in personal actions, the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their government into the hands of that eminent tribunal.

President Lincoln showing off some foresight in his reaction to Dred Scott during his Inaugural Address.

Yes. Even though I sometimes like the outcomes on certain cases, it always concerns me that matters that should be worked out in the political arena are being decided by nine men and women in black robes. Not that there is anything wrong with wearing black robes.

[sturg33]

So uh... anyone wanna discuss this Dianne Finestein trainwreck?

No shame at all

[57Brave]

not at all a good look:
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Anne McCarthy
‏ @AM_McCarthy
4h4 hours ago
Replying to @JessicaValenti

And why are these letters ready to go

just when they need them?

[57Brave]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...chuck-grassley

[sturg33]

Need more Bill Maher's out there

[57Brave]

Accuser names herself



Tom Moran
‏ @Piscesboy69
5m5 minutes ago
Replying to @EricaJong

She’s going to have her head handed to her if she testifies.

I hope she’s up to the challenge.

The GOP will stop at nothing to get Kavanaugh confirmed.

Nothing.

[Julio3000]

Need more Bill Maher's out there

I’d suggest reading the full account in the WaPo and reevaluating what “looks bad.”

[57Brave]